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Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by swores »

jv22222 wrote: post #298
walterbell wrote: post #80

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> There are ideas that are not allowed here. It would be more accurate to say that some ideas require more work here. The reasons why are open to debate.

Here's an HN bubble aspect. You can't use any title you want, for example, they will regularly edit the title and thus effectively change the general meaning of the submission as read by most folks who just skim titles. Which has the knock on effect of making the post less (or more) desirable for users to read/upvote. For example titles starting with "How I ..." are auto stripped to "I ..." there are quite a few othe…

I'm not convinced the title rules on HN are having a major impact on which stories get upvotes on a frequent basis, but that's just my intuition and you may be massively right.

In which case I urge you to, when you see an example where you think the policy has indeed had a negative effect (which I'd also suggest isn't quite as basic as "did it lower the expected number of upvotes" but also "and not because it removed clickbait from the title"), either comment mentioning dang's name and saying why you feel that, or send him an email to the same effect (hn@ycombinator.com)

Not only have I often seen him engage in discussion and be open to changes for a submission when people felt a title shouldn't exactly fit HN's usual rules, but I'd also expect him to be open to changing the rules themselves if your feedback leads to his agreeing that there's a trend of submissions having the meaning of their title unfairly changed due to the generally good rules.

All that said, it's not really an example of a "HN bubble", nor of an "idea" that isn't allowed on HN.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by Yizahi »

dont__panic wrote: post #17

> [TikTok]'s addiction-based advertising machine is probably close to the theoretical maximum of how many advertisements one can pour down somebody’s throat. Well put. It's interesting that we pivoted in my adult lifetime from: 1. Myspace's emphasis on sharing things on your own webpage, essentially a hosted blog 2. Facebook's evolution from "hosted blog" to "friend update aggregator" to "chat client" to "friend upda…

Mastodon is anything but high-latency. If you missed a post in the stream of other posts it is gone forever, unless you were glued to the screen in hopes of not missing anything. I don't think it is better than Tiktok really, same basic principle of keeping people in the app.

Forums and blogs with comment sections are the only high-latency mediums, and I guess we will keep reinventing them every five years.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by propertymagnate »

allenu wrote: post #123
dont__panic wrote: post #17

> [TikTok]'s addiction-based advertising machine is probably close to the theoretical maximum of how many advertisements one can pour down somebody’s throat. Well put. It's interesting that we pivoted in my adult lifetime from: 1. Myspace's emphasis on sharing things on your own webpage, essentially a hosted blog 2. Facebook's evolution from "hosted blog" to "friend update aggregator" to "chat client" to "friend upda…

> If we're lucky, that means a federated, open, mostly-ad-and-suggestion-free open source social media experience can fill the power vacuum for intimate, interpersonal, high-latency communication over the internet. I don't have as much hope for such a thing. To me, this trend is also a reflection of perhaps the societal devaluing of IRL social connections. In a world where encountering "new people" was novel, and typ…

That is a well thought out and incredibly depressing theory.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by holoduke »

agileAlligator wrote: post #362
watwut wrote: post #340

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How is over 100 friends minimal?

The average person has about 150 people they care about. 100 friends is par for the course imo

150? What about 5-10? I don't believe you can have 150 people you really care for.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by ignoramous »

paganel wrote: post #360
ricardobeat wrote: post #292

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I don’t remember my extended family sharing jokes and memes non-stop in real life…

My dad frequently shares jokes in real life, some of them I've heard more than once during all these years. When I was younger, late teens, early 20s, I thought them cumbersome, "come on, dad! you've told me that joke countless times", now, when I'm in early 40s, I cherish those retellings of jokes.

> When I was younger, late teens, early 20s, I thought them cumbersome, "come on, dad! you've told me that joke countless times", now, when I'm in early 40s, I cherish those retellings of jokes.

Reminds me of:

Because we don't know when we will die, we get to think of life as an inexhaustible well. Yet everything happens only a certain number of times, and a very small number really. How many more times will you remember a certain afternoon of your childhood, an afternoon that is so deeply a part of your being that you can't even conceive of your life without it? Perhaps four, five times more, perhaps not even that. How many more times will you watch the full moon rise? Perhaps 20. And yet it all seems limitless.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Paul_Bowles

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by Underqualified »

gloryjulio wrote: post #330
swatcoder wrote: post #87

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I suspect that that what really ate up personal social networking was very simple: private group messaging finally got good enough. 15 years ago, we’d lost touch with old friends and acquaintances because there are a ton of people in our lives that mean something to us but that don’t warrant much 1-to-1 contact through phone calls or messaging. Myspace and early Facebook reinvigorated those relationships with relaxed…

> I suspect that that what really ate up personal social networking was very simple: private group messaging finally got good enough. Which was achieved by WeChat since 10 years ago. It's something to think about that why are we so behind technologically.

I think it's because of a critical mass of users. I can communicate with my parents and my entire circle of friends on WhatsApp, they weren't there 10 years ago.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by cyphereal »

jethro_tell wrote: post #326
alexslobodnik wrote: post #249

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web3 is taking a stab at reinventing this without the need of phone numbers. see [1] https://spkz.io/ [2] https://nftychat.xyz/ [3] https://gm.xyz/ *disclosure i'm a co-founder of #2

Lol, the reason the phone number is used as an identifier is because because it's a pain to have more than 1 or 2. It's an anti spam measure not a technology problem. You can key a database by anything unique. Icq used chronological numbers for fuck sake. Blockchain doesn't solve anything here.

It's not the ID, it's that a phone number is relatively difficult to obtain (not hard, but still a limited resource) and unique. A crypto stake / wallet / something of value on the blockchain could easily meet such a criteria if well designed.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by cal85 »

XorNot wrote: post #376
_nalply wrote: post #375

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This article filled me with hope, but I already see a danger: A threadmill of products to "bring the world together" under different names and mottos but all sooner or later devolving into advertisement machines. Maybe next: WhatsApp, then Signal then Mastodon? For this to happen, founders just need to sell out, for example to Meta. WhatsApp already sold out but did not yet pivot.

Signal very obviously has a finite lifespan, but in the moment it's best in class for privacy.

Very obviously - not to me. Why?

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Post by sizzle »

dcow wrote: post #227
allenu wrote: post #123

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> If we're lucky, that means a federated, open, mostly-ad-and-suggestion-free open source social media experience can fill the power vacuum for intimate, interpersonal, high-latency communication over the internet. I don't have as much hope for such a thing. To me, this trend is also a reflection of perhaps the societal devaluing of IRL social connections. In a world where encountering "new people" was novel, and typ…

Personally I've just stopped using social media because there's no reason to have the type of reach it gives you unless you're, well, advertising (whether that's yourself and/or personal brand, a product, a political position, etc.). However, even though rare, every once in a few years I really do need to reach out to someone I don't regularly talk to digitally or get in touch with someone I was much more connected t…

I just use discord for friends and WhatsApp for family, Instagram for documenting life

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by test1235 »

holoduke wrote: post #394
agileAlligator wrote: post #362

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The average person has about 150 people they care about. 100 friends is par for the course imo

150? What about 5-10? I don't believe you can have 150 people you really care for.

Not really care for, but the number of relationships you can keep track of:

"By using the average human brain size and extrapolating from the results of primates, he proposed that humans can comfortably maintain 150 stable relationships."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

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