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Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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> is not a buffer state between two major political powers Ukraine is not a buffer state between two powers though. Only Americans see it like that, after they regained independence from USSR. Ukrainians are an east Slavic ethnic group native of Ukraine, separated from Russians, who descend from Finno-Ugric tribes. Unlike 97% of Taiwanese people, who are Han Chinese like in mainland China. Taiwan is more like Catalon…

A buffer state can still have sovereignty. For example, North Korea is a buffer state between Chinese/Russia and South Korea / Japan, America. This is more about geopolitical realities than territory and culture claimed by ethnic groups. If you are thinking of _vassal_ states, historically, Imperial China had some. A more complicated example, Qing-dynasty, Manchurian-controlled China tried to treat the kingdom of Kor…

> North Korea

That is inhabited by the same Koreans that live in the south and only exists for geopolitcal reasons.

Just like east and west Germany.

Ukraine exists because Ukranian people exist.

Belgium is more of a buffer state than Ukraine

(no, I'm not Ukranian, far from it)

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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>US (sadly) adheres to the One China Policy How terrible of them to adhere to the policy Taiwanese themselves prefer! EDIT: To clarify, from what I remember the public opinion on Taiwan independence has been steadily shifting and now it’s the majority’s preference compared to becoming another province of China. At the same time the vast majority of Taiwanese prefer the option “let’s keep things as they are now”, if t…

First, US's One China policy is US's policy. It makes no sense for Taiwanese to adheres to a US's policy. Second, US's One China policy is only a word play. It acknowledges China's position regarding Taiwan but doesn't actually agree or disagree to it. That's why it still provide defense for Taiwan. Third, your comment about public opinion is a complete nonsense. Taiwan is a democratic nation. If the majority prefers…

First, it’s China’s policy that US claims to adhere to.

Second - yeah, your point being?

Third - yes, it is a democratic nation, and the prevalent majority of that democratic nation wants to keep things as they are, as evidenced by polls[1]. This nation doesn’t want war. Compare this with the standard modus operandi of US. Sometimes they are the good guys, sometime they kill a million people in Middle East, but it’s always about a war somewhere far away from US.

1. Notice how different this is from Ukraine. Ever wondered why there are so many… persons equating China and Russia?

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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> Taiwan is a sovereign country by definition. There is nothing "by definition" when talking about the legality of sovereignty of countries. Is Palestine a sovereign State, if "it is by definition"? > Sovereignty is something you observe, not something you declare You are confusing sovereignty (or trying to confuse the readers on purpose) with being a recognized sovereign country, which is a legal construct, we have…

> There is nothing "by definition" when talking about the legality of sovereignty of countries. No, neither I nor the parent were talking about "legality" just sovereignty. This "legal" sovereignty is a concept you and you alone have introduced to the discussion, and frankly I think it's a pretty useless and nonsense concept in practical terms. (There is no world government, after all, and laws are different in every…

> No, neither I nor the parent were talking about "legality" just sovereignty

moving the goalpost much?

I specifically talked about "sovereign countries recognized by the UN"

So yeah, I introduced it, because it's the only thing that matters.

Nobody cares about sovereignty outside of legal borders and international recognition.

Are Catalans sovereign in Catalonia?

Nobody cares unless they can get international recognition.

Are Lombard sovereign in Lombardy?

Who cares?

Nobody, unless they can obtain the recognition of the UN.

I'm sovereign in my bedroom, too bad nobody cares.

Anyway you wrote "Taiwan is a sovereign country by definition", no, it's not.

It's a disputed territory, the matter is very complex, there are strong opposing interests of various natures conflicting over it, for a part of the World there are humanitarian reasons to support their claims, but technically it's still part of China (PRC), the one the international authorities recognize.

Why is there the US army to defend them against a Chinese take over, if there is no way to enforce anything internationally?

Also, go and read about the 2021 referendums

The Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) on the island of Taiwan has been criticized for selling the interests of the people of Taiwan out in exchange for US support of its secessionist political pursuit

[...]

Taiwan residents have expressed great concern over the import of pork containing ractopamine, an additive banned by many countries, as this issue impacts the health interests of every Taiwan resident, Zhu said.

Thousands of people flooded Taipei's streets in late November for a protest march, with much of the anger focused on the DDP authorities' decision to ease restrictions on imports of US pork.

The DPP authority has allowed the import of thousands of tons of ractopamine-contaminated US port since January 1, according to media reports.

This is enough to expose the fact that the DPP has ignored the interests of the people on the island, and is aimed at currying favor with certain political and economic forces in the US

What do you think would happen if at the next elections a President pro reunification with mainland prevails?

So their sovereignty is still not "by definition" in any sense.

No matter what side you are on.

> There is no world government, after all

There is, however.

The fact that you don't recognize it, it's irrelevant.

If tomorrow New Yorkers declare themselves sovereign over the NY territory, do you think the US government will let them print money and elect a president?

Enlighten me on why not, please.

> No, neither I nor the parent

the parent wrote

"Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges"

and I explained why it would be different.

Made in Ukraine it's a thing, because Ukraine is recognized as sovereign Nation, while Russia is another country, currently trying to occupy Ukraine by force.

Made in Taiwan no, not legally, it's like made in Palestine, made in Catalonia, made in Sicily or made in Calgary.

If it's made in Taiwan, it's made in China, if it's made in Ukraine it's not Russian (at least for now)

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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That is not true. We all know China has poor environmental protections and low wages, and yet we choose to buy products made in China. And the consumers who don't care are also voters who don't care, so the rules won't be fixed. But a few powerful people could create huge changes all on their own. Holding them responsible is not pointless, it's our best hope for change.

> That is not true. We all know China has poor environmental protections and low wages, and yet we choose to buy products made in China. It's 100% true, and we often buy from China because overwhelmingly there simply aren't alternatives, the alternatives are prohibitively difficult to find, the alternative is another developing country with similar labor and environmental policies, or the alternative is laundered thr…

Interesting examples. How'd they work out?

More disposable bottles and fossil fuels are sold now than ever before. You can still buy cigarettes, and they're still as poisonous and addictive as ever, but most people don't want to buy them anymore.

Public policy worked in 0/3 cases. Changing consumer behavior worked in 1/3.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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> Literally every tech company stands up for good causes like BLM and LGBTQ+ rights Well, in the countries where it is good PR to do so. They tend not to show the same face worldwide, in countries where it would not be good PR.

I don’t think you can pass it off as PR when their CEO is out, and publicly supports the cause.

Does he support it publicly? I'm not really aware of anything noteworthy other than when he came out a decade ago. Not saying it's necessary but I wouldn't characterize him as an LGBTQ activist.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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>China is more than willing to manipulate cultural messages with money Compared to a country where companies literally buy congressman, and freely manipulate public opinion for the highest bidder?

But competing messages are allowed so while the rich manipulate public opinion, they are not unitary and other voices are still heard, wealthy battling wealthy and large social movements too. These false equivalence’s are really tiring. China’s control of public speech and media is on a wholly different plane. It’s not even remotely comparable to manipulation in the West.

So how’s China different here? Or do you really believe there are no conflicting opinions there?

I mean, some people believe there are no public elections in China, so…

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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I don’t think you can pass it off as PR when their CEO is out, and publicly supports the cause.

Does he support it publicly? I'm not really aware of anything noteworthy other than when he came out a decade ago. Not saying it's necessary but I wouldn't characterize him as an LGBTQ activist.

He has been in a pride parade in the past and has mentioned it in interviews/tweets. I wouldn't call him an activist at any stretch, but he doesn't hide his support.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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As part of free speech, can a company from somewhere in south send out parts in boxes with confederate flag on the box? We make decisions to curtail free speech everyday so how's this different?

I'm not American, so I may be missing some details, but is that actually not allowed? Or is it rather the case that some people may not like that, so companies try to avoid upsetting some customers?

It is allowed, and some companies have based their business around it.

For that matter, I've received written correspondence from people while doing genealogical research with the return address listed as "Mobile, Alabama, Occupied CSA". There are definitely cultural norms that come into play here, but in that particular case - it was from an officer of a chapter of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and contained photocopies of Confederate military records - I was amused by it. I kept the envelope and included it in my own archives.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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You should educate yourself about the fact that PRC Taiwan and USA all legally recognize one China policy. China is not PRC, PRC is at best the only internationally recognized government of China. Even so there is still only one China. Of cuz, because of US are exceptional, US does not abide by the international law, so Pelosi visited Taiwan as a high level official from US. Apple need to operate in the boundary of l…

> You should educate yourself about the fact that PRC Taiwan and USA all legally recognize one China policy. China is not PRC, PRC is at best the only internationally recognized government of China. Even so there is still only one China. > Of cuz, because of US are exceptional, US does not abide by the international law, so Pelosi visited Taiwan as a high level official from US. One China Policy isn't a law, at least…

Looks great, a well rounded analysis of the situation.

But, it misses the critical historical heritage for the event and the actual international laws at the time of the end of WWII.

The situation is more like the China domestic war was not ending, and US intervened China's unification out of the strategic goal of contain communism. PRC of cuz had been the Vanguard of political insurgency across the east Asia.

One China policy is recognized by international law not because of US, one China policy is derived from a series of international treaties after ww2. Those are the laws actually has the most legitimacy.

And the other so called general men's agreement of PRC's representation of this one China. That's just an automatic derivation from that fact that PRC inherits the ROC seat in UN. You are reversing the cause and effect. But this is quite common for people living in US, as they tend to view everything as if they were always under US leadership, and claimed that a lot things that actually sanctioned under check and balance of geopolitical struggles into some kind of US concession out of necessary strategic goal that eventually US are going to revert.

Precisely that's one wrong lesson of geopolitical struggling. You can always claims a moral superiority and legal high ground from ones own perspective. That's the case for US, Taiwan, PRC, and even for Japan's refusal to admit it war crimes. But the underlying facts of power and strength, which has always been the driven force of geopolitical struggles, is always the foundation.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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I know some storys with relabeling some products in Switzerland to. A country would not deal with the EU. So stuff came to Switzerland, got a new label and got shipped. International trading is a kind of funny place. I know a women who works on a company who make also things for large gas pipes (process industrie). She said, long before the war started, funny thing happened with a lot of involved companys.

> She said, long before the war started, funny thing happened with a lot of involved companys. Are you able to give any examples?

Got new banc accounts, changed owner, etc.

Most prominent example: Germany Launches €10 Billion Bailout for Gazprom’s Local Unit

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31773314

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