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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by brimstedt »

blacklion wrote: post #277
moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Are you sure? Several months ago I've woke up to learn, that my country start to kill civilians of other country with bombs, missiles and shelling, to become "top player". And, what is even worse, many of my fellow citizens support it. Now I'm trying to leave this country for some other, which don't have ambitions to be top-player but don't kill civilians and…

Easy to say, I know, but people like you should not leave.

You should stay and make a change.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by [deleted] »

zmgsabst wrote: post #352
themitigating wrote: post #339

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"As for me, I'm an American and it is in my best interests that USA stays top dog. I didn't immigrate here to downgrade lol, so I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player." The country or its people? This seems like a very selfish sentiment. Shouldn't we want everyone to prosper, no matter where they are from? There are countless who may not be able to afford to emigrate to the US

You can want to be the best and want everyone to succeed. You accidentally revealed your own zero-sum thinking in associating “top player” with putting other people down.

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by negus »

brimstedt wrote: post #391
blacklion wrote: post #277

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> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Are you sure? Several months ago I've woke up to learn, that my country start to kill civilians of other country with bombs, missiles and shelling, to become "top player". And, what is even worse, many of my fellow citizens support it. Now I'm trying to leave this country for some other, which don't have ambitions to be top-player but don't kill civilians and…

Easy to say, I know, but people like you should not leave. You should stay and make a change.

Can you propose some specific actions?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by ok123456 »

fsflover wrote: post #87
plugger wrote: post #59

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Conversely, if you're an American in America who doesn't travel abroad what is the threat TikTok poses when compared to the FAANGs? Given the cozy relationship between the US and FAANGs I think it's possible to argue that unfettered government access to FAANG data is more of a threat (to the average US citizen) when compared to the Chinese government having access to your user data via TikTok. But I'm not set on any…

>if you're an American in America who doesn't travel abroad what is the threat TikTok poses when compared to the FAANGs? They could intentionally influence the public opinion about anything, e.g., elections.

I trust China more than the Koch brothers.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by honkdaddy »

diogenes_of_ak wrote: post #388
4ggr0 wrote: post #383

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If others wonder what this text says - All will be well soon - the world is changing fast, and there are opportunities to work anywhere you want. So long, and if you need help, send me a dm, I don't know what I can do, but I can try to help. Sorry about my bad Russian, I was taught by the boys when I lived in Ukraine on a high school exchange.

Sorry if other languages aren’t permissible. I can delete it if I need to.

I don't think it's against the rules at all; we had a thread a couple weeks ago which ended up being mostly in German. We native speakers enjoy the privilege of reading English nearly every where we go online, it should be no skin off our back to pop open Google Translate every once in a while.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by virgildotcodes »

blitz_skull wrote: post #387
bigDinosaur wrote: post #374

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'Whatever it needs' is fairly unambiguous language and including violence in that is not a particularly unpopular viewpoint in recent history.

“Whatever” is by definition ambiguous. It might include violence, sure, but when the comment specifically mentioned data and the actual content at hand several times, it can be pretty safely concluded that it doesn’t include violence.

I mean, we have a number of examples of governments using this data to do anything from harassing to imprisoning or even assassinating dissidents. So even saying "just" access to data is what you're defending doesn't really address the fact that data is often used for oppressive and violent ends.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by tuxie_ »

Msw242 wrote: post #378
bilbo0s wrote: post #369

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No top player. And many top players. MAD, as insane as it may sound, actually works. Everyone being fearful of massive retaliatory strikes keeps everyone in line. You get all sorts of bad behavior when nations have no fear of massive retaliatory strikes.

The world map has been mostly frozen the last few decades precisely because USA is the global hegemon and world police. Regional powers (which is what we would devolve to) are demonstrating exactly what the world would look like without America running the show: conquest and genocide in Ukraine, saber rattling in the south china sea, genocide of the Kurds. We don't have an interest in solving for all the world's ills…

It's sad but not surprising that you think that the US did not promote, finance, or execute dictatorships and all kinds of destabilizing tactics against democratically elected governments for the sole reason of not agreeing with their policies. They even sent agents to my country to teach the military how to torture civilians.

The only difference is that they were careful to not do it directly, or do it in secret. Exactly the same way they are doing in Ukraine now, where they avoid giving the weapons directly to Ukraine, but instead they use the well exercised muscle of influence.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by mrkramer »

I think TikTok's competition with Alphabet and Meta for digital ad space is healthy for market but security is the most important for users. At the end TikTok will be open sourced because there is no other way to guarantee 100% security instead of going full open source.

I remember Bill Gates once said in one of his interviews that Microsoft showed the source code of Microsoft Windows to various governments around the world in order for them to review it because they were afraid of NSA surveillance. Maybe that's the way for TikTok instead of going full open source but who knows.

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