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BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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dsr_ wrote: post #230
_ea1k wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I cited an auto start feature o VOLVO cars that required a siriusXM membership. As much as I dislike that kind of fee, it at least makes sense. The remote communication support isn't free.

Implementing it the way it used to be, with a proprietary radio remote, does not require any communications infrastructure support. 99.9% of the time this feature is used to start the car when the driver is within 50 feet. There's no need for it to be relayed through the Internet.

I'm only familiar with the systems where the fob is still just a proprietary remote. It also has a phone app, and that's what costs extra. The fees are too high, but the existence of a fee is sensible.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by _ea1k »

seiferteric wrote: post #308
dsr_ wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Implementing it the way it used to be, with a proprietary radio remote, does not require any communications infrastructure support. 99.9% of the time this feature is used to start the car when the driver is within 50 feet. There's no need for it to be relayed through the Internet.

This is something that bothers me as well, implementation decisions are what drives this a lot. I have a nest thermostat and it seems like the app decides to log me out randomly every once in a while and I have to go through the whole login/2fa process, sometimes in the middle of the night when trying to adjust the temp! There is no need for internet connected thermostat most of the time, I would much prefer Bluetoot…

I really wish that all thermostats at least had the option for local control. z-wave and other standards for this aren't even new.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by _ea1k »

dotancohen wrote: post #249
dsr_ wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Implementing it the way it used to be, with a proprietary radio remote, does not require any communications infrastructure support. 99.9% of the time this feature is used to start the car when the driver is within 50 feet. There's no need for it to be relayed through the Internet.

My Tesla Model 3 _can_ remote start the air conditioner via the cellular network, but it can also work via bluetooth if I'm within maybe 20 to 30 meters of the vehicle.

Of course, Tesla is also more friendly than these others and makes the service free.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by nikonyrh »

2143 wrote: post #31

I seriously hope this doesn't catch on. For cars with internal combustion engines, the company tends to get constant income via service thanks oil filters, other filters, and a whole bunch of stuff that needs to be replaced (assuming people take it to authorised service centers, which I assume most people do when the car is relatively new). With the transition to EV, those avenues dry up because EVs need lesser maint…

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Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by 2143 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #130
rockinghigh wrote: post #75

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Neither this article nor my personal experience with Tesla support your claim. > Tesla owners reported more problems with their exterior and interior than with other systems like propulsion, battery or infotainment and navigation. Tesla issues aren't about maintenance, they are mostly about quality control. Maintenance on Tesla is simple: air filters, brakes, tires, air conditioning. https://www.tesla.com/support/car…

> Maintenance on Tesla is simple: air filters, brakes, tires, air conditioning. Maintenance on a new ICE car is exactly the same, plus an oil change every couple of years.

But, due to more parts being present on an ICE car, isn't there a higher likelihood of something going wrong eventually?

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Post by jmrm »

norman784 wrote: post #116
jmrm wrote: post #103

If companies continues adding more subscription options in more models it will make some aftermarket electronic modules, or simply jailbreak hacks, to bypass those locks. It happened already in the Tesla, and I don't think it will stop here.

This is pure speculation, but I suspect that they have some kind of DRM to prevent you on using those features, that means if you break a DRM, then you are at fault here, while I don’t agree, this seems similar to the case of one wheel that they block the motherboard if you unplug the battery, if you plug again the same battery it doesn’t matter, the motherboard is already blocked, and because of intellectual propert…

This is sadly already happening. In Europe, car garages need to update their diagnosis machines, or even pay[1], to get some keys from Renault to being able to do anything in their newer models. Even their low-cost subbranch Dacia need those keys. They say they do that to prevent attacks from the OBD port (used commonly to steal cars).

This not only is absolutely an anti-consumer practice, but also is probably a pretty temporal and ineffective solution to prevent your car being stolen[2].

Nowadays, is pretty common to need to program some kind of electronic module in the car for some parts replacements, and with that, they are preventing people and small and new car garages to do that kind of repairs. Heck, even the TPMS control module need to "re-learn" "where is who" when you rotate your tyres.

[1]: Usually diagnosis machines have a subscription-based system where they provide you not only new car models software packages, but also instructions about how to do part replacements.

[2]: AFAIK, most stolen cars are really easy to stole (like the 80s/90s Honda's) or really valuable (and they provide tools, ECMs, or whatever they need to stole them).

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