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EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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I’m happy with this. Apple was begging for this with their narsistic and arrogant anti-consumer behavior. Also app store these days is pretty much ruined. Almost all new apps are ”free” but in the end require a monthly membership or some other BS. Hopefully soon we can just pull apps directly from github releases.

…or you could pay developers what they charge.

Stop participating in a race to the bottom.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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And AFAIK Apple charges 15% if you earn less than a million in your net revenue, yet noone mentions that. Which, by the way, could be considered a sweetheart deal of its own, just like Steams tiered system. As for the Switch it's still 30% and to the developer it doesn't matter whether there's 5 percent going to the customer or not.

Apple only made that change after incredible pushback from their community, and it still doesn't address the real problem: Apple could be charging 2% and they would still have a monopoly on app distribution that deserves to be broken up. Steam isn't comparable, since it charges that 30% fee and competes against other distributors. Despite that, developers continue to choose Steam over alternative platforms like Itch.…

More like "after Tim Sweeney suddenly became obsessed with Apple and started demanding things".

"...they would still have a monopoly on app distribution..." on the platform that they've created, supported and maintained over the years, in the market that already has alternatives.

"Steam isn't comparable..." ah, so Steam charging the same percentage is a whole different thing...i see.

"...competes against other distributors." on the Windows, Linux and MacOS operating systems, operating on a platform that is not exclusive to any manufacturer in partucular.

"...they just need to compete with other service providers to ensure they're providing a fair deal." They already do compete, look up alternative iOS stores.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

#393

There's several very good provisions in this legislation (3rd party payment processors, non-preferential treatment for 1st party apps), there are several that have a mix of upsides and downsides (sideloading is one--I personally like knowing that Facebook can't ask people to sideload some privacy destroying crap on iOS). Then there's: - Allow developers to integrate their apps and digital services directly with those…

Can we stop pretending that Apple has the users best interest in mind? They just want to be the gatekeeper for lucrative applications/functions so they can charge for it. That they somehow convinced apple users that it's somehow in their interest just shows how good their marketing is.

As a byproduct it does give a measure of privacy so what's it to you if apple users just don't care about your idea of freedom? I hope this European legislation at least lets apple customers opt-IN to these new features or choose the old way of doing business. I would prefer to keep access footprints to a minimum to stuff like NFC, contacts, hardware APIs, apple pay, etc on my phone.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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There's several very good provisions in this legislation (3rd party payment processors, non-preferential treatment for 1st party apps), there are several that have a mix of upsides and downsides (sideloading is one--I personally like knowing that Facebook can't ask people to sideload some privacy destroying crap on iOS). Then there's: - Allow developers to integrate their apps and digital services directly with those…

I haven't read the DMA/DSA, so if this is actually written out in them then I'll happily be corrected here. The way I see it, the EU probably doesn't really care if Apple keep ALL the restrictions they currently have on their App Store in actuality, as long as options exist on the platform. So the solution to allowing access to NFC hardware will probably just be Apple opening up sideloading. I personally hope that Ap…

Nope, they will not get to keep their App Store restrictions. From the DMA Q&A page (https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/QANDA_...):

> Ban on requiring app developers to use certain of the gatekeeper's services (such as payment systems or identity providers) in order to appear in app stores of the gatekeeper;

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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> allowing sideloading is like allowing chemical weapons to be used in war. yes, it is exactly like that. Millions of people who download .exe to their compuyters every day are doing chemical warfare

Millions of people downloading .exe files everywhere are why we have an infosec industry. I trust indie developers on the App Store because of the restrictions and the review process. I’ll never side load a small developer’s app. And I worry that major players (I.e. Facebook) will require side loading so they can be free of the App Store rules about privacy.

infosec, like defense (stuff like the internet and apollo missions) are how humanity progresses. Power plays always keep us behind

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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A quick Google suggests Apple made 64 billion from the App Store in 2021 of the 378 billion in total revenue. Some fairly large peanuts! And that revenue is basically pure profit as it doesn’t require the creation of any actual physical hardware either.

Is this pre 30% or after? Also: how much does it cost to run the App Store globally? Do have the numbers?

Edit: Yep, I misread this

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

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A quick Google suggests Apple made 64 billion from the App Store in 2021 of the 378 billion in total revenue. Some fairly large peanuts! And that revenue is basically pure profit as it doesn’t require the creation of any actual physical hardware either.

Is this pre 30% or after? Also: how much does it cost to run the App Store globally? Do have the numbers?

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Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

#398
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Didn't it? Every Android user I know is a data leak firehose.

Same here for iOS users in the US. Add some details and maybe we can compare better.

Here's a detail: iOS stopped apps from tracking you, and it worked so well that Facebook (an ad company) fought it tooth and nail and lost quite a bit of money because of it. Do you have any such details of similar things happening in Android?

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Disagreeing with your disagreement. How "easy" a tech-related task is to accomplish is determined by the users skills and experience, as well as software/hardware usage patterns that they've learned over the years. Official guides/tutorials for enabling/disabling various functions exist for Google Play/AppStore too. Does that mean that one of the easiest ways to acquire apps that have ever existed is...not easy? Beca…

If you're expecting the user to follow a tutorial to do some thing, that thing is already a niche of a niche.

Never knew that kitchen appliances are "a niche of a niche" with their instruction manuals.

Re: EU approves legislation to regulate Apple, Google, Meta, and other tech firms

#400

This regulation is 5+ years overdue, but legislation always lags behind market conditions. If the US/other countries follow suit there will probably be a big unintended effect though: the diminishing of open web standards and Google getting final say about what will work on "the web" and what won't. With Firefox diminishing, Safari is the last bastion against a Chromium-only web. There are lots of Chromium forks, but…

What I see, as a web dev, is that finally Apple will have to keep Safari/iOS up-to-date with Safari/macOS, and that in turn up-to-date with all other browsers. I.e., they will no longer be able to artificially hamstring the web in order to prevent web apps from competing with their App Store.

They certainly have the money to keep pace with Chrome, and I certainly don't want to put up banners saying "works best in [anything but Safari]", which has been the case for many years now.

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