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Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by babypuncher »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #215
babypuncher wrote: post #154

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I don't think M2 is meant as an upgrade over last year's M1 X or Pro.

What is the 13" M2 Pro meant for, do you think? Why would you buy it instead of either the new M2 13" Air or the 14" M1 Pro? I can't find a reason. I guess if you really love the touchbar, this is the only thing that has it? (That HN hates and we all thought they were getting rid of based on the M1 Pro's). Or you really hate magsafe power connectors, this is the only new laptop that lacks it?

It is meant to fill the gap in the product line between the Air and the 14" Pro. The fact that it did not get redesigned alongside the Air makes it a weird and confusing product. Performance-wise, it should beat out the Air thanks to the inclusion of a better cooling system. Just like with the M1 versions of the 13" and MBA.

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Post by skavi »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #203
anonymouse008 wrote: post #105

It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. They are on the cusp on turning Macs into annual upgrades - with meaningful performance upgrades tied to the OS, just like they've done for a decade with the A series / iOS releases. This is firing on all cylinders. The organizational structure and performance is a marvel for this.

> It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. Apple also made a huge leap forward with their cooling designs. Making the laptop thicker and investing in proper cooling design made a huge difference. My M1 laptop is significantly quieter than my old Intel laptop at the same power consumption level. It’s not even close. Apple’s last generation chassis and cooling solutio…

Apple reused the exact same Intel chassis for their previous generation M1 MacBook Air and Pro 13”.

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Post by rastignack »

PraetorianGourd wrote: post #20
jklinger410 wrote: post #7

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Microsoft is a company full of bureaucrats who don't care about their product. Apple is going to take over the computing world here shortly.

Please talk to anyone outside of the start-up/tech world and ask them about the technology they use. A majority don't give a toss about M1 or M2 or ARM vs. x86 or anything else that seems to get so many in the tech world so excited. They care about Excel, they care about backwards compatibility, they care about centralized management. Apple _may_ take over the consumer space but this will be more due to the shift fro…

I’m working for a big bank. They now offer Mac workstations to be able to hire the best devs.

I would have never expected a Unix workstation in such a corporate setup when I started 15 years ago.

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Post by olliej »

threeseed wrote: post #34
kyleplum wrote: post #2

I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.

Their answer is this: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/microsoft-will-boost... They will need to get developers up to speed porting their apps to ARM before they are even in a position to re-boot their Windows ARM strategy. But this is a multi-year journey which is likely to give Intel/AMD time to produce something more competitive.

Does windows not have a rosetta equivalent??

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Post by samatman »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #315
DonHopkins wrote: post #137

I got an M1 Macbook Pro, and yeah, the processor is fast and cool and all that, but the most absolutely wonderful thing about it by far is that there's no touchbar!

Am I the only one who just ignored the touchbar and didn't take it as a personal affront?

The internet disproportionally reflects the most extreme views.

I think it's mildly disappointing and I won't miss it.

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Post by yieldcrv »

david_allison wrote: post #283
yieldcrv wrote: post #196

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I'm only a very casual gamer these days (although anyone I go on a date with would only see a gaming accessory or console and immediately think hardcore), I recently went down the gaming rabbithole to see what I can do with my M1. It seems like MacOS on M1 architecture can play almost everything! Like, there are so many titles that don't have OSX listed as ever being released for, but it can either be played out the…

Did you get any VR games working? https://www.applegamingwiki.com/wiki/Home paints a sorry picture of the state of M1 gaming (partially due to dropping 32 bit support).

No VR! I’m sad I can’t get to experience Half Life Alyx, but I mostly forget

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Post by yieldcrv »

culopatin wrote: post #326
yieldcrv wrote: post #196

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I'm only a very casual gamer these days (although anyone I go on a date with would only see a gaming accessory or console and immediately think hardcore), I recently went down the gaming rabbithole to see what I can do with my M1. It seems like MacOS on M1 architecture can play almost everything! Like, there are so many titles that don't have OSX listed as ever being released for, but it can either be played out the…

Can you expand on “almost everything” and what you do to achieve that?

I look at tables online that show game compatibility and experiences

Its surprisingly good and I think this is partially because of Apple’s network effects

But aside from that the rosetta translations work really well, allowing a lot of x86/x64 to work

And then there is Crossover which is a GUI for WINE

And then VMs

I got a Windows 95 game playing on my M1 yesterday with Crossover, more resource intensive stuff seems to be doing well too, with maybe flagship games failing some enthusiast benchmark

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Post by skavi »

joakleaf wrote: post #329
cehrlich wrote: post #91

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M2 will be faster in single core, M1 Pro will be faster in multi core. Taking Apple's 20% claim at face value: Geekbench Single Core - M1, M1 Pro: 1700, M2: 2040 Geekbench Multi Core - M1: 7700, M1 Pro 8-core: 9000, M2: 9200, M1 Pro 10-core: 12400 Of course we'll see M2 Pro/Max sooner or later, which will presumably match M2 on single core just like the previous gen.

Apple's 20% was for multi-core.

The M1 and M2 have the same number of cores. I suppose the fabric could have been improved for the M2.

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Post by heavyset_go »

chongli wrote: post #46
cowtools wrote: post #19

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It's a false dichotomy. You could say the same about either company. Those are the inevitable consequences of proprietary software and vendor lock-in (my original comment was some rhetorical question, I edited it to be more direct and less passive-agressive)

No, you can't. There are no dark patterns, ads, or spam in macOS. The worst you could say is that it has "terrible UX." I would then respond: compared to what? In my view, the only desktop-grade OS I prefer over the modern Mac is MacOS 9. It was much easier to use and understand from top to bottom. On the other hand, it lacked a lot of features I've come to take for granted (pre-emptive multitasking, multithreading,…

There are plenty of dark patterns in macOS. For example, macOS will trick users into thinking that the apps they want to use are either broken or malicious if developers didn't pay Apple $100 a year and Notarize apps. macOS has increasingly become a platform to sell iCloud subscriptions, as well.
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