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Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

monocasa wrote: post #364
rrdharan wrote: post #345

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How do you propose banning this while permitting open source drivers for Windows? I understand why you might want to, I just don’t understand what the rule would be.

The key is in "derived from". Very few people would say NT is derived from some random drivers that nobody at Microsoft had a hand in writing. Taking existing code and having it form the foundation of a new kernel and claiming it as all closed source is quite a bit more obviously derived from that existing code open source code. "Derived from" is the core concept in the GPL; it actually doesn't use the word "link" at…

I thought they ripped the network stack from BSD.

https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/381190-windows-tcpip-stac...

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by solarkraft »

999900000999 wrote: post #128
mrweasel wrote: post #105

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VMware has a ton of product, none of them really competes with Docker. They do have Tanzu I suppose, but that more a Kubernetes offering. I would argue that there are more Docker containers running on a VM, running on top of VMware than there are Docker containers running on bare metal servers. Both VMs and containers can be used and misused in a number of ways, but rarely can you replace a VM on VMware ESXi with Doc…

You can run Windows in Docker. Ether figure it out now, or in 2 years when VMware starts to suck. Then again, all the big companies I know put things off until the last moment. If I was a better developer I'd be putting together a project right now that allows you to run all your happy legacy Windows software with Docker. Shouldn't be hard to raise a bit of funding for such a project assuming you have the right backg…

> You can run Windows in Docker

... on Windows. So it doesn't really mesh with a typical server environment.

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by mindslight »

mushbino wrote: post #389
TomVDB wrote: post #216

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After being acquired by Avago, Broadcom ceased to be a single company. It’s a conglomerate of entities/BUs that are explicitly asked to NOT work cooperatively, so that each entity can be sold at moment’s notice if it doesn’t deliver the right financial results anymore. Chances are that the current leadership doesn’t care about how VMware operates, as long as it cuts enough costs to increase metrics that Wall Street c…

It's amazing our system rewards all of those things. Cutting r&d, cutting jobs, cutting downstream contractors, using profit for stock buybacks, etc

Optimizing for efficiency isn't a bad thing. The real problem is the larger economic feedback loop based around keeping the number of hours worked the same. So the efficiency gains are effectively lost, and the average worker is left still depending on the ever-optimized structure rather than being able to accumulate enough wealth to escape it and create new structures.

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by solarkraft »

mysterydip wrote: post #81
fujidust wrote: post #56

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I think this is the play. They can create or influence standards that favor their new position - build vertical integration where others in this space cannot.

Wouldn't that be an abuse of monopoly though? If VMware suddenly starts supporting broadcom hardware better than other enterprise hardware.

You could call it that. But it's also industry practice.

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by garaetjjte »

system2 wrote: post #369

Can anyone explain how VMware's stock jumped from $90 to $120 on May 23rd before this was announced? How did people know this was going to happen 3 days before anyone of us heard of it?

It's been reported before: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-22/broadcom-...

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by solarkraft »

ComradePhil wrote: post #373
system2 wrote: post #369

Can anyone explain how VMware's stock jumped from $90 to $120 on May 23rd before this was announced? How did people know this was going to happen 3 days before anyone of us heard of it?

Insider trading... but the very people who are supposed to be preventing this are involved in thr same thing all the time.

There are various stages of this beyond the plain illegal. Some people watch secondary signs like private plane travel data, for example.

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by phpisthebest »

axus wrote: post #312
imwillofficial wrote: post #280

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I was part of Symantec when we were acquired. I didn’t agree with all Broadcoms moves, but they empowered us to really cut the fact and focus on what we were good at.

I was very surprised when the product quality went up, for the Symantec software I use.

To be fair, prior to broadcom purchase symantec was not known fo high product quality

In the sysadmin world, Backup Exec and Norton products are meme's at this point, examples of the worst kind of software

so I am not sure how it could have gone down in quality

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by phpisthebest »

bityard wrote: post #292
influx wrote: post #265

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I run esxi on my (admittedly beefy), home server. It is a fantastic piece of software that can be completely controlled through a web browser. I can easily spin up a couple of VMs, interact with the install without having to use a remote virtual keyboard/video switch, and the whole thing is rock solid. I could probably do a lot of the same thing with Linux itself, but the web interface is so nice, I'm keeping it as l…

You can do the same thing with Proxmox VE. IMO, Proxmox is a much better choice for stand-alone VM hosts. The UI alone is certainly miles better. Where VMware shines is when you want to virtualize multiple datacenters and manage them all from a single browser window. Getting hundreds of hosts and datastores managed all under one vCenter umbrella all while eliminating single points of failure, while not trivial, is th…

Proxmox fall down on Enterprise tooling and integration with other software enterprises use to run the business

Things like Monitoring Platforms, Backup Solutions (veeam), Automation tool kits (powershell), etc.

I like Proxmox, I use it personally, but in its current form I do not see how any medium or large enterprise that has is management tooling around VMWare could just drop in proxmox.

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by bogomipz »

RajT88 wrote: post #353
awill wrote: post #266

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What does "They are selling it in a big way" mean? I've never heard of it, and neither have any of the software engineers who are next to me at the office. RedHat OpenShift also bombed. They had a great start 11 years ago, but then didn't innovate, and worse, released a 2.0 that wasn't backward compatible. They used the 2.0 release as an excuse to kick off all free plans. What a joke. There's a reason Red Hat isn't a…

I have customers running Tanzu. It is slick, but niche. Incredibly rock solid - in ways K8S is not - and you pay for it. It is on its way out as a product.

Why is it on its way out as a product? Is it simply not making money?

Re: Broadcom to acquire VMware for $61B

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Post by bogomipz »

larntz wrote: post #340
awild wrote: post #260

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They also offer tanzu as on prem cluster where you can somehow use kubernetes to provision kubernetes virtualised kubernetes clusters.

It uses cluster-api to provision clusters. It's very cool and isn't a VMware thing. It's open source, and you can easily run it on regular k8s clusters. https://cluster-api.sigs.k8s.io/

Well, Cluster API depends on underlying providers and the VMWare provider is definitely a VMWare thing as it's maintained by them:

https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/cluster-api-provider-vsph...

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