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Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by mgdlbp »

c0balt wrote: post #137
chinathrow wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The same as always. Do you have a guess about who is behind that lasting global push against private communications?

Not gp, but I would recommend reading about the crypto wars[0] and related conflicts. While the arguments are slightly different the overall idea of needing every message to be scannable stayed the same. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars

the Cypherpunks FAQ (1994):

  8.3.4. "How will privacy and anonymity be attacked?"

  ...

         - like so many other "computer hacker" items, as a tool for
         the "Four Horsemen": drug-dealers, money-launderers,
         terrorists, and pedophiles.

  ...
[1] https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/cryp...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp...

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Mizza wrote: post #172

Isn't this an insanely stupid idea? Doesn't it open the door to a new type of ransomware - pay up, or we'll flood your devices with CSAM and submit a tip about it?

The blackmailers would have to own the channel they transmit on, though, to hide their communication to you, and own the metadata on the network. It's not like file-encryption ransoms, they not only have to remain anonymous but also to hide all traces of network communications (which are already completely monitored on a message-metadata level). And the perps aren't just screwing around for money but are trading in practices that apparently get you murdered in prison.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by hef19898 »

ls15 wrote: post #189
hef19898 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because EU recogniced certifcates made travel within the EU possible and, besides some funny rules for border crossings, almost pain free. Just imagine going from Geany to France would require to get your German vaccination certificate recognised by the French first, as one example.

> Just imagine going from Geany to France would require to get your German vaccination certificate recognised by the French first, as one example. Just imagine going from A to B without having to show a useless certificate.

I am old enough to remember passport controls when going skiing in Austria, which was 30 km away from my home. Hell, imagine to show documentation at nation borders! The audacity!

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by archagon »

Ambolia wrote: post #11
searchableguy wrote: post #2

Could push for increasing surveillance be related to the recent adoption of digital social credit, CBDC (digital currency), and predictive policy systems in EU countries such as itlay, Netherlands, denmark, and the US? You would need a continous stream of data for building those. It makes a lot of sense if you look at it as countries trying to replicate success of Chinese growth and systems which are highly centraliz…

A lot of this got accelerated through Covid policies, "never let a good crisis go to waste" as they saying goes. Many systems that were put in place, can be repurposed for other goals.

Proof that there's any connection here? Or is this just a case of "it feels right to me"?

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by mirceal »

DeathArrow wrote: post #171

This is the new democracy. This is the new freedom. What is the difference from China or Russia?

good point.

there are two types of dystopia: the 1984 flavor or the Brave New World flavor

China and Russia are doing 1984, the "West" was doing Brave New World but they want to try something new. So why not a blend?

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Post by School-Cotton »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #313
School-Cotton wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've studied English, not American. Regardless, if debating in good faith you should respond to what people clearly mean, not to what you feel the words they’re using should mean in “correct” English. > Or 67 cabinets, if you prefer. Absolutely nobody is disputing this. The Wikipedia link is unnecessary.

> Regardless, if debating in good faith you should respond to what people clearly mean, not to what you feel the words they’re using should mean in “correct” English. you're wrong: I never said I was using the correct English, I said that in the English that I have studied it is called a government. It's called government here too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Italy#Executive_... I'm not making up words…

You (probably intentionally) cut off the exact part of the quote that entirely changes its meaning.

You are engaging in bad-faith pedantry, and this discussion is now a waste of time.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by rmbyrro »

School-Cotton wrote: post #379
rmbyrro wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every country I'm aware of people also use government as a loose reference to the whole monster of state, branches (judiciary, executive, etc), constitution, laws, etc etc. Didn't know it wasn't used like that in Italy.

That’s untrue in many European countries.

Certainly many European countries I'm not aware of how people refer to governments.

Please read the comment more carefully. I'm saying about what I am personally aware, not a universal truth.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by School-Cotton »

rmbyrro wrote: post #397
School-Cotton wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s untrue in many European countries.

Certainly many European countries I'm not aware of how people refer to governments. Please read the comment more carefully. I'm saying about what I am personally aware, not a universal truth.

I never said your comment was incorrect. I’m just providing further context.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by SxC97 »

supramouse wrote: post #372
GekkePrutser wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not yet no, because Apple postponed their plans. But it was planned along with the plans for iOS. The Mac was not going to be excluded.

they are just waiting a little bit, the software's been written and it's not like you have a choice lol as far as I know the delays are more about giving apple's friends in hollywood some time to cleanup than caving to libertarian outrage

> as far as I know the delays are more about giving apple's friends in hollywood some time to cleanup than caving to libertarian outrage

Do you have a source on this?

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by GekkePrutser »

Tade0 wrote: post #382
GekkePrutser wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhm maybe we want to? Not everyone likes rural life. And people in cities use public transport a lot. I don't even own a car myself anymore and haven't driven one in years.

I'm starting to think I've used the wrong units in my comment. 10k people per square kilometre is over twice as dense as an average European city, or around the density of New York. There's a lot of middle ground between that and rural life.

Nope, my city is 15k people per square kilometre. In fact if you don't count the periphery and uninhabited (industrial) areas we're at 28k. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcelona

And I love living here :) I just don't get why it's a bad thing to live in a high-density city. Most dense cities are now reducing car traffic a lot, and they have amazing public transport to make up for it.

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