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My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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Yeah I don't know most of the TSA was just doing their job the best they could. I've come to respect their mandate a lot, reading the history of aviation and how it's all a crazy game to not go splat. It's not the fact of traveling, it's the fact of traveling ON AN AIRPLANE. Everything about it. The basic nature of aviation is it's closely tied to suicide. It's like interwoven with suicide. They are the two threads o…

> Yeah I don't know most of the TSA was just doing their job the best they could. [...] The basic nature of aviation is it's closely tied to suicide. It's like interwoven with suicide. I would swap "suicide" for "risk". And while I do concede that traveling on an airplane is inherently risky (and argueably one of our most remarkable achievements as a species), I think it's dangerous to deny that TSA - or any other se…

No, don't swap "suicide" for "risk." It's no secret among pilots. And it's enshrined in the law. America loves the Wright Brothers, two states fought over the right to claim them on their state currency (Ohio and North Carolina). History loves the Wright Brothers. The world loves the Wright Brothers. They were the most famous people on earth (together with their sister) in 1911. And that's why you don't get put in a psych ward for flying, because America loves aviation, no other reason.

And they practically never flew together. Then, at most one of them would die at a time, and the other could live to continue defying death. They were the first great aviators to fly and not die. They crashed sometimes and it was brutal, identical to falling out of a building. There were endless deaths in early aviation, all the time, all the time. In the early 30's the Army was charged with paper mail by airplane, and the weather was terrible, and everyone equated aviation with suicide. Young soldiers dying most days of the week. I think even Roosevelt said it was suicidal, that what these pilots were tasked with meant leading them to slaughter.

Like heroism, which I carry out all the time, also intrinsically suicidal, for instance all the times I've fought alone, outnumbered. Everyone says that's suicidal. So it turns out it's not actually that dangerous, any more than aviation, you just need to act perfectly, meaning no mistakes.

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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I think it's simply fair to provide context and compare with other countries. While the US immigration process sucks compared to many countries, it very likely is in the top half of the world - most countries are simply worse. I've lived in places where you have a zero chance of getting permanent residency, let alone citizenship. Even if you marry a citizen. A friend of mine lives in a similar country. On paper there…

I've lived in places where you have a zero chance of getting permanent residency, let alone citizenship. Even if you marry a citizen. Could your share the places?

Many countries in Asia are like this. You are very unlikely to get PR, let alone citizenship, unless you are born there to a citizen parent. e.g. China, most of southeast Asia. Sometimes there is even an ethnicity requirement.

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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No problem! Just reply to my latest comment on HN if you are. Should be fun! Exciting times right now.

If you'd like to stay in touch off HN, could I ping you on the protonmail address on your profile? I made one for myself after looking at yours, haha.

Yes! That’s what it’s for! Looking forward to talking! :)

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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I decided to move to Canada after a few years on an H1B for this reason. I got a PR card literally on arrival at the airport! I can do everything but vote and can choose to become a citizen whenever i want. Border agents are nice and don’t make me feel like a criminal, companies cannot exploit me, i can be unemployed or start a business anytime. Zero immigrant stress. Salaries and taxes are worse but its worth the freedom & peace of mind.

Putting aside politics & whether you agree/disagree with US immigration policy, i think going elsewhere is simply a better option for Chinese/Indian immigrants as of now. Most of the West is staring down an aging population and is desperate for young labor, so there’s tons of options. A lot of places have well functioning governments and the demand for technology is global.

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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> Anyone who is a citizen is already an American. Or do you mean only white Americans are "real" Americans? Who said anything about white people? I’m talking about distinct cultural communities with roots in the country, who live in places which are deeply reflective of the culture of those people. Some of those people are white (like my wife’s family who settled the Oregon coast), some are Hispanic (Mexican American…

>Who said anything about white people? When you mention Germans below are you talking about the Chinese origin Germans? >One of the most fundamental aspects of democracy is drawing the boundaries of the body politic. You're conflating legal immigration and demographic shifts to open-borders. Those are not the same. >My parent’s generation went to war to create a country where the body politic would be mainly Bangla-s…

> When you mention Germans below are you talking about the Chinese origin Germans?

I gave several examples of people who could point to a part of the country and say that their ancestors built those communities and those places reflect the unique culture that’s been handed down to them from their ancestors. Some of those examples were “white” and others were not: Mexicans in the southwest or Black people all over the south.

I lived in Atlanta for many years, a city that’s distinctly shaped by the culture of southern Blacks, and which continues to attract Black people for that reason: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/opinion/georgia-black-pol....

What Charles Blow talks about in the article above is an especially poignant example of a universal impulse: the desire to live among and be governed by people from one’s own cultural community. Nobody suffers more for not having a “country of their own” than Black and indigenous people in America, but the underlying impulse to want that is universal.

> You're conflating legal immigration and demographic shifts to open-borders. Those are not the same.

I’m not talking about “open borders.” I’m talking about having to share political power over your own community with people from a different cultural background. With the example of Bangladesh and Pakistan, there was no immigration involved. My parent’s generation fought a war against Pakistan because we didn’t want to be in the same body politic as Pakistanis.

> I don't know what impulse you're referring to. Please expand on that.

The impulse for people from distinct cultural groups to govern themselves. Bengalis didn’t want Pakistanis to have control over the laws that applied to them. They wanted their own country that they could run the way they wanted.

Notions of governance are deeply intertwined with culture, and having people from distinct cultures try to govern each other leads to tremendous animosity. One concrete example: my family comes from a part of the world that’s had government and civilization for thousands of years. We’re farmers going back to before anyone can remember. My wife’s family, by contrast, settled the frontier of the United States, living off the land, and not being able to count on established governments to help them (because there were not any).

This leads to extremely divergent world views between my dad and my wife. My dad said the other day that he doesn’t see why anyone needs a gun because “nobody hunts for food.” This is true to him—nobody has hunted for food in Bangladesh as long as anyone can remember. Meanwhile my wife grew up hearing people refer to “store bought meat” because it was the exception until her parent’s generation. She grew up eating meat that her grandfather had hunted. It’s a completely different acquired understanding of not only the role and purpose of guns, but more generally the relationship between and among people, the land, and authority.

I look at those interactions and think: if someone from rural Oregon is mad at people like my dad coming to America from Bangladesh, who thinks “nobody hunts for food,” and voting to take away his guns, why isn’t that justified? Why can’t he be mad that people who aren’t acculturated into the cultural underpinnings of his community have so much power in deciding how that community should now be governed? Why would I begrudge him that sentiment when my uncle fought in a war over the same exact impulse?

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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>Who said anything about white people? When you mention Germans below are you talking about the Chinese origin Germans? >One of the most fundamental aspects of democracy is drawing the boundaries of the body politic. You're conflating legal immigration and demographic shifts to open-borders. Those are not the same. >My parent’s generation went to war to create a country where the body politic would be mainly Bangla-s…

> When you mention Germans below are you talking about the Chinese origin Germans? I gave several examples of people who could point to a part of the country and say that their ancestors built those communities and those places reflect the unique culture that’s been handed down to them from their ancestors. Some of those examples were “white” and others were not: Mexicans in the southwest or Black people all over the…

>The impulse for people from distinct cultural groups to govern themselves. Bengalis didn’t want Pakistanis to have control over the laws that applied to them. They wanted their own country that they could run the way they wanted.

Americans of German, English, Irish, Italian, Swedish origin are not all seeking to maximize the number of individual ancestral cultures being represented in the government. Inside Europe, the Italian culture is completely different to German culture. Being American is not the same as being Italian or being German. Which is why I asked if you were lumping everyone seemingly white as having the same culture.

>if someone from rural Oregon is mad at people like my dad coming to America from Bangladesh, who thinks “nobody hunts for food,” and voting to take away his guns, why isn’t that justified? Why can’t he be mad that people who aren’t acculturated into the cultural underpinnings of his community have so much power in deciding how that community should now be governed? Why would I begrudge him that sentiment when my uncle fought in a war over the same exact impulse?

If people can't convince others and get consensus on their ideas, then those ideas should die out. Tough shit. We managed to clear out the idiots objecting to giving civil rights to minorities and voting rights to women. A country is not static, the laws are not static and should never be. The laws are something we made up to serve our needs. It's a democracy, and all citizens get to vote and make decisions. What you're describing sounds anti-democracy.

Edit: The guns issue is a hot-button but you can draw parallels to anything that one group of people want to "preserve". Well if you want to preserve it - go make the effort of convincing people who aren't convinced. I can appreciate guns from an engineering perspective, but I think owning guns and killing defenseless animals from a distance is not something I would personally do. But I am not "taking it away" from anyone I am simply exercising my right as a citizen.

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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It took me also ~18 years to get my green card. I went through a very similar (almost identical) route as the blogger and I'm glad he documented this grueling experience. I went to college in the US; graduated in 4 years; worked with OPT for 2.5 years; went back to a PhD program because my then employer wouldn't sponsor me an H1B (according to them, they are a start-up and cannot put up with the legal burden and cost…

I don't mean to annoy you, but it sounds like it took you 6 years once you actually got a permanent job (although even 6 years is too much!). The years as a student don't really count.

Disclaimer: I didn't downvote you.

I guess you can say that it really took me 6 years to get a green card via employer sponsorship (although those 6 years were anxiety-filled to say the least). However, if the startup (my first employer out of college) sponsored me work visa and then green card, I would not have gone for the PhD either. I hope it makes sense.

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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> First of all levying higher taxation or regulation for money laundering They should take it one step further and make it illegal!

They are never going to do that. Making money laundering illegal will send shockwaves across its economy. Canada is being criticized by both its citizens and foreign governments but the illegal moneyflows are actually proping the housing markets of Vancouver and Toronto up. It is a very complicated situation as taking any action against money laundering will also might greenlight foreign governments to sue Canada for…

It was a joke. Money laundering is already illegal in most jurisdictions, including Canada [1]. Generally disguising the source of funds is financial fraud on its own, even without dedicated money laundering laws.

The canard that the housing market in Canada has been propped up by illegal money has been debunked so many times it's not funny. Everyone continues to prefer to think that over the real truth, which is that domestic speculation and house-horniness (house at any financial cost, down-payments from a HELOC on the family house, etc.) is responsible for the insane market. How else do you explain the 50%+ increase in rural Ontario over the pandemic? Peterborough didn't suddenly become the hot spot for laundering.

[1] https://lois-laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/P-24.501/

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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You see, countries are formed by white people. What existed before can be safely ignored. Really shocking how an immigrant describing his decades long naturalization process has triggered so many white men!

When did overt racism become socially acceptable?

You should know, you practice it every day.

Re: My journey through the American immigration system as a computer engineer

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One of the constant dichotomies that i(and maybe other immigrants) live with are these: The privilege of being a model minority [1] [2] yet being on the edge of having to lose it all if the immigration system shits itself. One might be a senior software engineer paying 100K + in taxes and probably drive EVs and own a home, your largest infraction are parking tickets, yet the risks are asymmetric; the whims of bureauc…

I'm not sure how being a "model minority" is relevant beyond you just internalizing one potential viewpoint that floats around certain US political discussions. I'm not a minority in the US, have worked in other countries, and I'm still at the same whim of a country's immigration system as you are. In fact, a white colleague I work with will be returning home from Asia because the government has decided "we don't nee…

It's a political viewpoint yes but a relevant one to explain what the attempted creation of model minority does to actual people and their minds, my mind, due to odd ball immigration policies. I don't think we are "model/special" in any way, skilled immigrants aren't superior to any other racial group iMO.

The same dichotomy I talk about might be created in other countries as well but what is different weird is that in the US they intentionally chose[1] to make this community to show to the world, in part, how they liberal and progressive America can be (which has its own contradictions). The intention was and is very clear and the policy really screws with the mind.

To me(and maybe others) being in the reference is very relevant because we, I, in many ways live a privileged, sheltered life and I wanted to highlight how odd that is for my mind to comprehend that that privilege is at the whims of people and circumstances barely in my control and in ways that if I were in my country of citizenship such privilege would be be interpreted by me as laissez faire.

The other thing is that being a part of choosing the reference is that I have done nothing special to get here. I am lucky. And then there are other people that some apparatchik did not choose who were exactly as good as me but are living in tough circumstances back in my home country. This makes the dichotomy of living here even more crazy for me

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_minority#Selective_immig...

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