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Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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I always appreciate people that live by their principles but some of this stuff is downright comical! Making other people buy things online for you to avoid using non-free javascript?! Lol

I kind of do this. I avoid using currency and have no credit cards but once in a blue moon need to buy something from online.

How do you function without currency? That is wild.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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post #76

I always appreciate people that live by their principles but some of this stuff is downright comical! Making other people buy things online for you to avoid using non-free javascript?! Lol

I kind of do this. I avoid using currency and have no credit cards but once in a blue moon need to buy something from online.

If I may ask, what is the reason you place these restrictions on yourself?

Do you have a moral objection to centralised currency?

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grifters, trolls, asshats always find their way into communities that are centrally moderated. That includes most online games and social media today. This problem isn't solved with anti cheat and government ID checks. In fact this problem was solved years ago, simply by letting each community create their own spaces with their own rules. This means some spaces are private. Others may be semi-open. And some will be f…

Private walled gardens would pretty much kill the competitive scene of most games. I used to play competitive dota (the original wc3 map) back in the day and the inhouse leagues were a massive pain in the ass. Same with all the various leagues for counter strike (1.6 at the time). UX was terrible, the moderation sucked and you still had to have anti-cheat as people would cheat even in private spaces. Usually the easi…

At top level I think most scenes are private walled gardens. With possibly some path to raise there outside franchise models.

For average players yes, central developer driven model is much easier and simpler.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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> Now, more free games? It doesn't satisfy an urgent practical need, obviously... But the crucial thing is, free ones might make it easier for some people to say, 'Let's move off this non-free thing, and play a game that is free. So we can have the same pleasure, but without paying freedom as the price.'“ i'm sorry but i just can't read this without laughing. what does stallman think gamers are like? i can only imagi…

I’m a gamer. Given a choice between two games of similar quality, I’d choose the free / hackable one every time. There are tens of us, I tell you.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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Missing a reflection about how abundance of F/OSS has pushed us towards SaaS as one of the few places left to make a living from pure software dev, and the oligopolies arising out of it. What about Linux (Android) being used as the prime spyware vector, and Linux being used for cloud lock-in (k8s et al)? Also missing a discussion about the role of open standards as opposed to open implementations, such as POSIX/LSB,…

> What about Linux (Android) being used as the prime spyware vector To deal with that, consider using GNU/Linux phone Librem 5 recommended by the FSF: https://www.fsf.org/givingguide . > and Linux being used for cloud lock-in What do you want to discuss here? There is always a possibility to use tools for the evil. Non-free software is used for that, too (much more).

I've been waiting for my Librem 5 (that I paid for) for four years...

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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post #76

I always appreciate people that live by their principles but some of this stuff is downright comical! Making other people buy things online for you to avoid using non-free javascript?! Lol

That example feels extremely dishonest and hypocritical. The correct answer in that sort of case is not to buy it in first place. Having someone else do it for you doesn't change anything, just makes you dishonest hypocrite. If you disagree with thing like that you shouldn't be giving them money in any case.

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People actually pay for closed source software, even if piracy might happen. SaaS is the only way left to force most people to actually pay for the FOSS stuff they leach.

Why should people pay for FOSS? Isn't entire point it being free, developed for personal use and shared?

If people don't pay for FOSS, how do you expect developers who develop FOSS to feed their families?

The "free" in "Free and Open Source Software" is free as in speech, not free as in beer. We'd like to think that decision to charge or not charge for the product is orthogonal to the decision to make the source code available. In practice there is some interrelation.

But FOSS was never "you can't charge for it."

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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post #291
post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grifters, trolls, asshats always find their way into communities that are centrally moderated. That includes most online games and social media today. This problem isn't solved with anti cheat and government ID checks. In fact this problem was solved years ago, simply by letting each community create their own spaces with their own rules. This means some spaces are private. Others may be semi-open. And some will be f…

Private walled gardens would pretty much kill the competitive scene of most games. I used to play competitive dota (the original wc3 map) back in the day and the inhouse leagues were a massive pain in the ass. Same with all the various leagues for counter strike (1.6 at the time). UX was terrible, the moderation sucked and you still had to have anti-cheat as people would cheat even in private spaces. Usually the easi…

Counter-argument is Smash Bros, which is basically only private games and has a competitive scene.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People actually pay for closed source software, even if piracy might happen. SaaS is the only way left to force most people to actually pay for the FOSS stuff they leach.

However, as has been a point of discussion here for the last several years, the SaaS services themselves are often as much "leeches" as the users when it comes to open source.

Might happen, however my point was about the SaaS that are from the authors themselves.

Re: Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement

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post #230

> Now, more free games? It doesn't satisfy an urgent practical need, obviously... But the crucial thing is, free ones might make it easier for some people to say, 'Let's move off this non-free thing, and play a game that is free. So we can have the same pleasure, but without paying freedom as the price.'“ i'm sorry but i just can't read this without laughing. what does stallman think gamers are like? i can only imagi…

I can imagine a world where people reimplement game engines as free software, rendering the corporation's proprietary code outdated and irrelevant.

Example:

https://gitlab.com/OpenMW/openmw

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