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Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Gaming is not so bad on Linux but I wish I'd never bought any pro audio plugins for my home recordings. It's going to be a colossal waste of money and unfinished recording projects when I decide to get rid of Windows for good.

If your plugins are VST2/VST3, then I can wholeheartedly recommend yabridge as a tool for using Windows plugins on Linux.

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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I use multiple non-admin profiles for different activities and I think this will ruin my strategy. I always make the first user a local account and never use it for anything but adding normal user profiles. I log in with my personal Microsoft account on one profile. I use a local account for a work profile that also has a MS365 account added to it (to avoid being joined to the domain). I have a second MS account for…

> I use multiple non-admin profiles for different activities Well, shit me. I've not used Windows since 8 came out. However, I would have loved to have had that workflow for a multiple desktop type thing. Why didn't I think of that 20 years ago? (for a long time, windows has internally supported multiple desktops, but it's not quite the same)

I do the same thing on Linux. I have multiple different users I use for various purposes. One for Work, Personal, Side Business, and an emergency "break glass" user.

I install most applications in my home XDG directory if possible. It helps me have pure separation between work and home life. If I'm on my personal user, I do not have access to work tools, etc.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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This news about Windows 11 Pro "requiring" a Microsoft Account is a bit of sensationalism. You can still bypass it and create a local account if you know what you're doing, as has been the case for several years with Windows 10. Here is how: When you see the “Let’s Connect You To A Network” page, hit “Shift” and “F10” simultaneously. This will bring up the Command Prompt to which you type the command: taskkill /F /IM…

> as has been the case for several years with Windows 10

It was not mandatory in Windows 10, thus there was nothing to bypass (on Home maybe you had to ensure you are not connected during OOBE though, at least on some versions)

IIRC in the official specs of Windows 11 Home they specify that you must have an Internet connection and an MS account for the initial setup.

I doubt killing processes during OOBE is officially supported...

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Guys, Microsoft doesn't give two shits about home users. Their bread and butter is businesses. And M365 is amazing for business. If you think M$ suxors, you're not the target demographic. I'd much rather manage 200 users with M365 than some fucked up combo of slack, Google, Dropbox, and libreoffice.

> I'd much rather manage 200 users with M365 than some fucked up combo of slack, Google, Dropbox, and libreoffice.

Yeah, you’d do that until the development team at your organisation would insist on working on macOS and linux, not Windows.

Then you’d have a field day, because we all know how well M$ tools work on/with non-Windows machines.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use multiple non-admin profiles for different activities and I think this will ruin my strategy. I always make the first user a local account and never use it for anything but adding normal user profiles. I log in with my personal Microsoft account on one profile. I use a local account for a work profile that also has a MS365 account added to it (to avoid being joined to the domain). I have a second MS account for…

You can still create local accounts - it sounds like it is just during initial setup they require a Microsoft account and internet access.

True, but in time it will escalate more, just as this escalation builds on the ones that came before it.

Just because a trap closes slowly doesn't mean it isn't a trap.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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My opinion stays unchanged: run from Microsoft like you're fighting for your life. They want nothing but to ensnare you into a web of proprietary languages and services until you can't do anything in your computer that is not controlled by them.

You're completely right. So, they're just like Apple and Google :-)))

About forced online accounts, MacOs is better than Windows (for now it does not force, I hope they won't in the future)

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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I feel like I see this exact article every year or two and then it always comes out that you can easily get around this with some type of easy loophole. Of course that might still get the majority of people switching to an online account but..... if you are practically giving away an OS for free is that really so bad? Not that I am saying I support this change personally of course - I would much rather have microsoft…

The loophole for years has been not being connected to the internet, they're getting rid of that. Buying LTSC licenses as an individual is not particularly easy or cheap.

You can buy a LTSC license for a single computer.

https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2167558-explicit-inst...

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Can you use Apple products without an account? If not*, what version of Linux should I get setup with. Casual web development. I mostly use my personal machine for gaming. Edit - Typo

It's been a few years but I tried to use mac OSX without signing into an apple account and eventually I was forced to do it to get updates from the app store IIRC. So it's probably possible, but almost certainly not common or advised unfortunately.

Thus at least you can have a local account without any attempt of Apple trying to force you not to, and then login to the app store with an apple id, if you want.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Can someone explain to me why Microsoft migrating my Minecraft account to my Microsoft account is not a huge security anti-pattern, given that this is the same account I use to access my high-importance Azure account? Do we really believe that the Minecraft launcher presents no additional attack surface and handles authentication material with the same rigor as the Azure login process?

If you can spare the expense ($5/mo/user and a domain) you really should be putting Azure resources in a Microsoft 365 tenant instead of using MSA/live.com accounts. Microsoft will act as a 'processor' instead of a 'controller' of your data in this configuration.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Ah we never saw that one coming. What really bugs me is why people keep defending these companies: this is straight up abusive, and we - all of us - should not accept these tricks. Getting you an MS account is one small step away from charging you monthly for the privilege of using the computer that you've already paid for.

>Getting you an MS account is one small step away from charging you monthly for the privilege of using the computer that you've already paid for. That's already a thing - unfortunately - the only way to get Windows 10/11 Enterprise is via a subscription, though they're careful not to word it as such. There are three ways to get it: (1) you can either buy it through the volume license channel which requires an active…

> Windows will absolutely become a subscription service in the next few years.

It already is, but the price is viewing ads and enduring "whoops, you're now using Microsoft Edge". They're just not yet ready to give up the many millions a year they get from system integrators buying Windows.

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