Discord is a black hole for information • Hacker News Board

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by tekknik » Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 3:51 AM UTC

1_player wrote: post #387

tekknik wrote: post #366

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> Discord, slack, et al would be doing the world a great service if their tools had notifications etc SWITCHED OFF BY DEFAULT so that they don't disturb other people in the same room as the user. This is a fun one. What if the new hire doesn’t know Slack? They’ll miss all the messages until figure out how to configure their notifications. Or we leave them on by default and then still tell them how to configure their…

> What if the new hire doesn’t know Slack? They’ll miss all the messages until figure out how to configure their notifications In my experience, the "new hires" are overwhelmed by Slack notifications, turn them off, and I have to remind them later, after they failed to respond to semi-urgent public @ and direct messages, that they can configure Slack to be notify only on @ and direct messages, and they won't be bothe…

Then again you still miss conversations you weren’t tagged in.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by tekknik » Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 3:53 AM UTC

holler wrote: post #389

tekknik wrote: post #364

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> no gifs Just gonna go ahead and call it, it’s dead. Gifs are required. Even in the Slack I manage for work for a large team the primary request is we add giphy.

the key thought I had is not having it end up like twitch where there's a firehose of emoji/gifs and actual conversation is diluted...

this tends to not be an issue for work slacks, as the fear of being fired for what could be considered abusive chat or procrastination would stop most of the spam.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by jslove » Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 12:15 PM UTC

I am not sure why all the crypto channels are on discord. Why not an open source system like matrix?

Twitter is also so much better... but people don't DM much.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by citizenkeen » Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 8:00 PM UTC

I probably missed the window on this conversation, but what I want is a halfway point between Discord and Reddit.

Yes, it's probably proprietary.

- I log in to one website, and I see all my forums. - I don't want to log in to seven different forums. Like Discord, I log in once and see everything. - Forums are private. Like Discord, they're not scraped, they're not open to the public. There are some very public Discords, but all of them require initial permission to access, which can be removed. - Conversations are chronological, not the weird reddit tree. - Forums don't have a permanent URL. There is no 'r/programming' or 'r/politics' or whatever. _Your_ programming community is different from _my_ programming community.

Companies keep switching their private forums to Discord because they don't have to host. What if we just had a centralized place to host a forum? That ran like a normal forum.

People could pay for 'Nitro', forums hosts could pay for QoL benefits in their forum, etc. Minimally intrusive ads. Stuff like that.

I realize it being proprietary perpetuates a lot of problems, but I feel like we nerds haven't solved the distributed ease of access problem yet.

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by tekknik » Wed, Feb 16, 2022, 4:16 PM UTC

anonymoushn wrote: post #378

tekknik wrote: post #360

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How? I look through my discord search settings and it’s pretty straightforward. I search for something a friend posted some months back and found it pretty easy. The only difficult part is knowing which server it’s on.

Discord uses default elasticsearch settings for search, so almost every word belongs to an equivalence class of synonyms and conjugations that are often not equivalent or mutually relevant in technical usage (for gaming-related use or for work-related use!), multi-word phrase search is impossible, searches including words in the stopword list are impossible, searches including programming language syntax are impossib…

So you use something designed for gaming to run a technical community, and when the search wasn’t built to handle highly complex or technical queries you complain?

Why not use Slack?

Re: Discord is a black hole for information

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Post by anonymoushn » Thu, Feb 17, 2022, 2:06 AM UTC

tekknik wrote: post #395

anonymoushn wrote: post #378

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Discord uses default elasticsearch settings for search, so almost every word belongs to an equivalence class of synonyms and conjugations that are often not equivalent or mutually relevant in technical usage (for gaming-related use or for work-related use!), multi-word phrase search is impossible, searches including words in the stopword list are impossible, searches including programming language syntax are impossib…

So you use something designed for gaming to run a technical community, and when the search wasn’t built to handle highly complex or technical queries you complain? Why not use Slack?

It doesn't work for gaming either. I mentioned this in my comment.

Slack is a worse product in almost every way, but it does have better search than Discord if you pay 850 yen per person per month. Do you think that e.g. the Sorbet slack or the Zig community discord should pay 850 yen per person per month for any random person who wants to discuss their open source project?