Literally just talking to people is becoming a problem? He's done nothing but talk and you will see through this thread all of a sudden people who have problem never listened telling all sorts of lies. We are in a literal book burning era, and it is self imposed. Insane.
Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#392When JRE went to Spotify many people were hailing it as an anti-cancellation move. They clearly misunderstood.. the podcast was decentralized (even if your podcast host shuts you down you can serve the rss and mp3s from somewhere else). And Youtube was another avenue of distribution. Centralization makes you more vulnerable to getting particular content vetoed.
Spotify doesn't realize this move is cancelling themselves. I just ended my premium sub to Spotify because of their move.
I did the same when they censored Alex Jones.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#393Earlier quoted context omitted.
Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.
How Rogan manages to publish without fact checking and gets away with it amazes me. His free speech is fine, but falsehoods are not.
Whatever happened to "the solution to bad speech is more speech"?
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#394I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…
Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.
Where do you draw the line between free speech and for-profit propaganda?
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#395A lot of pre-COVID episodes deleted meanwhile recent controversial COVID episodes remain.
I like the idea that it's the guests themselves asking for deletion because they no longer want to be associated with him.
That is extremely unlikely to be true. The guests don't own the copyright, so they can't leverage that. Also, some of the guests are protesting this on Twitter.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#396Earlier quoted context omitted.
Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.
This is not an attack on free speech, this is free market economics at work. Spotify is free to promote and profit from whomever they please, and other creative artists are free to take their work elsewhere. Market demand will determine the outcome. The First Amendment states "Congress shall make no law ..."; it says only what the *gov't* can and cannot do
You either believe in free speech or you dont. It shouldn't matter who is infringing on it
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#397I think I speak for the majority of people here. Before the Spotify deal, you would just see couple of Joe Rogan clips on YouTube and you have sat through maybe 3-4 entire podcasts. You don't care much about MMA or you don't think comedians are that important/hypeworthy as the JRE fandom would claim. After the Spotify deal you just slowly stopped even seeing the clips because for some reason you just don't care to se…
Change of platforms didn't bother me at all, I never watched him on YouTube, but his drift to the conspiratorial right that culminated in vaccine hesitancy eventually made listening unbearable.
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#398Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know it's a lost battle because anyone whose not a nerd will never care, but I wish we could all just call content that moves to a centralised platform like Spotify an internet talkshow or whatever and leave the word podcast to the people distributing MP3s via RSS.
Internet talkshow. Great name. I will start to use it.
Why not just call it a talkshow? Why is it that the means of distribution is relevant at all?
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#399This is bigger than Spotify. Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. When proactive people investigate things and share their findings, it now only takes a few to dislike the findings, fuss, and have the findings removed. To those that support this, I have 4 questions: 1. Is disincentivising sharing knowledge really good for the world? 2. Is it reasonable to expect 100% of inq…
> Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him.
What kind of research does he do? I've never seen more than the odd clip, but I was under the impression he's just like all other entertainers that interview guests and engage in fairly shallow conversation about various topics.
A lot of people I know would tell you they didn't feel really competent in their (professional) field until they were working for 5 years which happens to align with the magic 10k hours cited as being the requirement to become an expert. Even if Rogan spends a whole year researching a topic that's still only 1/5th of what I'd consider the point where someone's qualified enough to speak publicly on a subject.
When I don't know something about a topic I default to trusting the people who've worked in the field for their entire life.
Here's a great example from tech that I think aligns well with a lot of the controversy we've seen over the last few years...
Years ago there used to be this huge debate about ZFS and a lack of ECC RAM combining to cause a "scrub of death" that would obliterate your data. The idea started on the TrueNAS (FreeNAS) forums [1]. That debate raged for ages and is a perfect example of how uninformed people shouting very loudly can have an outsized impact on public discourse. You don't have to take my word for it either. Here's a forum thread [2] where `ahrens` [3], the co-creator of ZFS, says the "scrub of death" isn't a thing and that non-ECC RAM with ZFS gives you better guarantees than a lot of other filesystems will with non-ECC RAM.
His response is followed by people telling him he's wrong and continuing the debate.
I have a couple questions for you if you're willing to answer. Would you believe the creator of that thread in the TrueNAS forum or the creator of ZFS when they're giving you conflicting information? If you would believe the creator of ZFS in the above scenario, why do you think some people trust celebrities like Rogan over a medical expert like Fauci or, literally, the creators of vaccines?
1. https://www.truenas.com/community/threads/ecc-vs-non-ecc-ram...
2. https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1235679&p=...
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#400I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…
Dude, $100 million.