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Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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engineerthrwawy wrote: post #205
amrrs wrote: post #169

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I'll present an alternate case, mine. I'm in a senior IC role sitting in India making almost 1/4th of what my US Counterpart makes. I work as much as them if not more. We as Indians are always taught to be sincere and obedient and I try to show that in my work trying to stay up finish the work so that my sincerity is never questioned. I'm always on the side to prove my quality - even though I'm highly underpaid for t…

Your criticism is fair. However "obedient" isn't always what an engineering organization needs. Many times, I wish that our Indian contract workers, would speak out when they see something wrong, about process, quality, or business requests. I'm not sure if it's a cultural thing or what, but it seems they are more hesitant to speak out. It has been my anecdotal observation that our US-born hires are way quicker to sa…

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Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by Johnny555 »

iypx wrote: post #380
Johnny555 wrote: post #322

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I'm highly underpaid for the same work. A large part of the justification of using outsourced workers is that they live in an area with a lower cost of living than the company's headquarters, so they can be paid less while still having a good quality of life. So comparing your salary to American workers doesn't really say anything about whether or not you're "underpaid", but it's how your salary compares to others in…

> A large part of the justification of using outsourced workers is that they live in an area with a lower cost of living than the company's headquarters, so they can be paid less while still having a good quality of life. Maybe a good quality of life compared to other people from the same area... but nowhere even close to that of an American worker. No idea where you got that "1/4 salary is worth more at home" from,…

Maybe a good quality of life compared to other people from the same area... but nowhere even close to that of an American worker.

If you want the same quality of life as an American worker, the best way to achieve it is to be an American worker since you can always pick and choose things that are objectively "worse" in any arbitrary country. For example, you cite the high cost of cars as an example of why a country has a worse quality of life, but others may point to American car dependence as worse for their quality of life.

No idea where you got that "1/4 salary is worth more at home" from

Probably because that's not what I said. I said "you may find that your "1/4 salary" is worth more at home that it is in the USA.", Obviously I didn't mean that to mean in all situations. I wouldn't expect that someone living on £10/week in the UK would be able to live comfortably on £2.50/week in any arbitrary country

I have a friend that took advantage of COVID work from home to move to Indonesia (where his wife is from) - he said they pay less for all costs of living than he did just on their apartment in the SF Bay Area. He's still drawing his Bay Area salary, but is not going back to the office, when return to office becomes mandatory, he'll just quit and retire where he is. He feels that he has a far superior quality of life there. It's not the same as Bay Area life, but far more relaxing.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by asdff »

k__ wrote: post #342
chasd00 wrote: post #316

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this is a known short cut in consulting. Quit at your current firm, goto a competitor then come back 2 years later at a level up. Had you stayed at your current firm it may be 3-5 years to level up.

To be fair, you give both competitors inside knowledge that might be worth promoting you.

Former clerks are so valuable to firms not because they've gained some experience in their role as a clerk, but because they were that specific clerk for that judge and being a member of their staff they know how that person speaks and opines behind closed doors better than anyone.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by el-salvador »

pojzon wrote: post #229
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #40

I've been a hiring manager for remote positions for a long time. If your recruiting channels are good, most of your candidates are going to be honest and good intentioned. But interview enough people, and you'll start encountering people trying to abuse remote work. They're not interested in contributing to your company. They're only interested in collecting paychecks while they do as little work as possible for as l…

Its funny because I remember a talk here on ycombinator from ppl who do exactly what you described here. Often extremely smart and talented. Working on own projects/business idea. Their argument is that they can in 1h deliver often as much as you average Joe in a week. “Put as little effort as possible, but I have expenses” Can give example of such ppl in: - Samsung - TomTom - Oracle - Amazon Too many of them tbh. Sl…

> Their argument is that they can in 1h deliver often as much as you average Joe in a week.

Sometimes I've been able to fix in an afternoon, what someone has been trying to fix for days.

From and outsiders' perspective it may seem that I am working less

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by raincom »

noisepunk wrote: post #223

Whoa. I am new to interviewing and hiring developers. We needed to hire quickly and i interviewed someone, they did great and they were hired. And when they showed up for there first day in our remote zoom call I was very confused and thought I had interviewed a different person. I was the only person who interviewed them directly as they are a contractor. I brushed it off and thought maybe I was mistaken but reading…

Take a screenshot while you video interview, also record the interview with permission. Once people know about it, they won’t even take the offer.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by travisjungroth »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #194
intpx wrote: post #102

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I recently went through a round of interviews for a job where strong communication skills are vital. One interview was just me responding to simulated emails in a shared google doc so the interviewer could see me work through the responses. In addition to witnessing my real time edits, I guess they also had the benefit of a higher level of confidence that the product was my actual work effort.

Dear lord, that sounds horrible. I understand the reasoning, but corresponding with people — especially in formal settings — makes me anxious, and I end up composing and re-composing (and sometimes re-re-composing) a lot of my messages. The end result isn't bad, but if I were being watched and graded in real time I'm pretty sure I'd fail.

Depends on how they’re grading. If they’re just grading on final output plus looking at the work process for authenticity you’d be fine. But a lot of people would probably needlessly grade on process.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by macintux »

giantg2 wrote: post #347
giantg2 wrote: post #224

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I'm in a DevSecOps role and hate it.

Why downvote my experiences?

I didn’t, but I suspect people were hoping for something more substantive. What about it don’t you like? Is there something specific to this thread that relates to your role and reminds you why you hate it?

Your comment did nothing to further the conversation or take it in an interesting direction.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by dopidopHN »

rootusrootus wrote: post #74
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #40

I've been a hiring manager for remote positions for a long time. If your recruiting channels are good, most of your candidates are going to be honest and good intentioned. But interview enough people, and you'll start encountering people trying to abuse remote work. They're not interested in contributing to your company. They're only interested in collecting paychecks while they do as little work as possible for as l…

> Always makes me wonder how many dysfunctional companies are out there letting deadbeat remote employees collect paychecks and do as little work as possible because nobody cares enough to press the issue. I'll take a stab at it, and predict... all of them. Or nearly so. There seems to be an ever-present fraction of employees at any large corporation that are essentially worthless. Just along for the ride, raking in…

Or sometime you gave up on the organization being able to provide a meaningful workflow.. that’s usually when I switch job because it depress me to fake it too much and fuck around all day on a computer while not being actually free to do whatever I want. It’s fine for few months while looking for something else and trying to let management know that you have no backlog.
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