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Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Surely this is the end of the pandemic? With an estimated 300k+ cases per day here in the UK, that is 10 million this month on top of everyone who has already had it. It’s as though nobody is ready to acknowledge the elephant in the room that Covid is nearly finished. Or am I missing something?

You're missing the fact you can catch it over and over. My wife is currently battling Omicron after we both had covid at the start of last year. Fully vaccinated and boosted three weeks ago, caught it anyway. With an infected population this massive mutations happen fast enough to cause a new wave before the old one burns out.

Here's a thought experiment. Compare the reddit "the button" with Covid staying with us. Even with only 1 person at a time trying to hit the button it stayed alive for 3 months. And that's with people trying to keep it alive, 24x7 - just enough people to keep it going. Enough people being interested in getting a low time and staying with it.

With covid, it's just automatic, but you just need 1 foolish move between 2 people, and there's no server making sure only one person gets it at a time, it's totally a distributed network. And the timeout, instead of being 60 seconds, it's 2 maybe 3 weeks (perhaps a lot longer - we don't REALLY know).

The thought experiment here is that if we TRY to keep something alive that's actually kinda hard to and it lasts 3 months, how is covid EVER going to end?

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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I have omicron right now (4-5 months after 2nd jab, so pretty much no effect from that) and it's just like a common cold (certainly wouldn't call it "battling omicron"). I have zero problems with getting this each year.

Hmmm... mild symptoms after being vaccinated. It's almost like the vaccine worked or something. How weird.

I have 5 people in the house, 1 vaccinated, 4 not.. the ones that were not had a 2 day fever... the one vaccinated (me) had no fever but just a cough for 3-4 days. All in all just like a mild flu

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Surely this is the end of the pandemic? With an estimated 300k+ cases per day here in the UK, that is 10 million this month on top of everyone who has already had it. It’s as though nobody is ready to acknowledge the elephant in the room that Covid is nearly finished. Or am I missing something?

You're missing the fact you can catch it over and over. My wife is currently battling Omicron after we both had covid at the start of last year. Fully vaccinated and boosted three weeks ago, caught it anyway. With an infected population this massive mutations happen fast enough to cause a new wave before the old one burns out.

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Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Yes, I believe the high transmissibility before symptoms appear is the most beneficial trait to Omicron. However, if a variant appeared with exactly the same traits except that it was 10x more deadly, then a lot more people would be taking it more seriously, self-isolating and driving down infections. From an evolutionary perspective, there is an incentive for the virus to become milder rather than more deadly becaus…

But future human actions do not put evolutionary pressure on the virus. First the possible new variant emerges, our actions come later.

It's not like strains of the virus are made by intelligent design. The point is that Omicron became dominant because people due to a lot of factors, its high transmissibility and people's disinterest in quarantining among them. If Omicron 2.0 came out with the same transmissibility, but a notably higher lethality, people's interest in quarantining would have increased significantly, which could have prevented Omicron becoming the dominant strain in spite of its increased transmissibility.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Hmmm... mild symptoms after being vaccinated. It's almost like the vaccine worked or something. How weird.

My brother had mild symptoms after being unvaccinated. So did my kids. So did my neighbors whose kids play at my house all the time. So did the vast majority of South Africans who aren't vaccinated. I push the vaccine onto all my high-risk family members. I recommend it to anybody as a tool to introduce your immune system to the virus. But let's be honest about this: The vaccines in circulation were created to stop t…

an honest, but wrong, take in your final paragraph.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Hmmm... mild symptoms after being vaccinated. It's almost like the vaccine worked or something. How weird.

Plenty of unvaccinated (the vast majority, in fact) also experience mild symptoms. It's almost like you've got an unfalsifiable way to always say "it worked!"

Yeah we have this thing called a clinical trial. I volunteered in it. Did you?

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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You say "over and over" but Omicron is the first variant that actually evades immunity (both natural and vaccine-induced) in a meaningful way. What we don't know is the level of immunity that an Omicron infection will provide. It could actually confer immunity to both itself and previous variants, which would effectively end the pandemic.

I think everyone in this thread is applying a binary model of immunity - either you are immune or you aren't, either a variant escapes or it doesn't. But immunity is analogue. A strong, specific, antibody response can prevent infection. A T-cell response can stop infection turning into severe illness and death. Variants can evade antibodies somewhat easily, but find it much harder to evade T-cells. Antibody levels wa…

Nope, then it's endemic

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Muscle aches, chest pain, headache, and severe coughing fits that won't let her sleep and scare me when I hear them from the other room. After being awake for two days and one of them dropping her blood oxygen to 87 I made her go to the emergency room where they gave her prescription cough medicine that finally let her sleep. Omicron is less dangerous than Delta. It's still dangerous.

Wait 87 SpO2?! I'm pretty sure that's the point at which you would be on a ventilator? Not sure what sleep has to do with SpO2 and it seems criminally negligent for the emergency room to just send your wife off with just a cough medicine..

An SpO2 of 92% or lower is considered severe. In most cases the patient should be hospitalized.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n677

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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It’s not that simple: yes, if someone gets in a car crash it’s probably not COVID but there are many cases where someone had a manageable condition that was disrupted by COVID — not 100% fault but not 0%, and a big problem for hospital capacity.

Counterpoint; My mum nearly died of Covid, six weeks in hospital, four of which were in ICU. On leaving we discovered she no longer had epilepsy.

Uh...What?

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Just giving my 2 cents. Got boosted 3 weeks ago. Now I have covid. Everything is fine, feels like the least ill i ever was from anything. But I wanted to state that omnicron is a beast. I did wear a ffp2 mask with nearly every social contact and if we didnt wear mask we would test ourself. I am sure I got it from the streets from people passing by. That said I am in the french alps and it was vacation time here. And…

Maybe it's time to start taking the wear 2 masks advice seriously.

Better to go with N100 mask or heavy duty respirator if you truly wanted to ramp up protection. https://www.grainger.com/product/6AD97?ef_id=Cj0KCQiAw9qOBhC...
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