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Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by sam0x17 »

lljk_kennedy wrote: post #389
sam0x17 wrote: post #163

They really need to stop requiring SVPs or higher to show non-green status on the status page, as other HNers have revealed in last week's AWS post. It's effectively not a status page, and they could probably be sued if it can be demonstrated that X service was down but the status page showed green (since the SLA is based on status page). Should be automated and based on sample deployments running in every region and…

I think SVP / GM approval is only needed for yellow / red status. From my time in AWS Support, the Support Oncall and Call Leader / GM delegate worked to approve green-i posts.

If my app won't run for reasons that are not my fault for longer than the SLA guarantees, the affected services should be at least yellow status and I should be accumulating free AWS credits.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by throw_m239339 »

cblconfederate wrote: post #269

Reminder that the internet was literally invented to avoid this kind of nuclear attack. But i guess people are herdish animals and prefer to die as a group

More like ultimately all these companies buy into a certain form of vendor lock-in and they have no competence or willingness to migrate or even consider the competition. It's starts with "oh I'm just renting a remote virtual server" and in no time it's "Oh, all my stack is tied to AWS proprietary products" because convenience. That's what Amazon wants.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by sam0x17 »

hatware wrote: post #330
Isthatablackgsd wrote: post #264

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I thought Status Pages or Health Pages is designed to automate the reporting and checking the status automatically. This was my impression when I came across those status pages. Apparently, it is not automated and only update it manually. What is the point of having a status pages if it cannot be automated? I'm sure FAANG and tech conglomerates don't want it to be automated because of SLA. I'm surprised with FAANG ho…

As stated earlier, AWS has financial incentive to not update the status page. Nobody is willing to call them on the conflict of interest in a meaningful, market-changing way.

Would love to see them called out via new regulations or a lawsuit, however :)

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by 8note »

whimsicalism wrote: post #301
itisit wrote: post #169

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Rightly so. My point is a company can self-audit without having to pay a competitor.

I think that is inherently riskier because you never know on what axis you will have a failure and it is difficult to exclude all shared axes.

That applies when you use competitors too.

They could have a related outage, or even a coincidentally timed one

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by Supermancho »

maxwell wrote: post #288
willcipriano wrote: post #253

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You won't find enough berries, never mind edibles berries if everyone in your area suddenly shifted to foraging. Game animals would be exhausted quickly or they would migrate further out from human settlements. Even if you had the skills hunting or foraging isn't all that useful anywhere around a city, especially if everyone else is doing it.

True, fruit and nut-based food forests, like those in the Pacific Northwest [1], seem to provide a significant, sustainable food source. Berries make a nice dessert + vitamins a few times a year. Historically here in Maine, the core diet seems to have been seafood, freshwater fish, maize, Capreolinae, game birds, eggs, honey, roots, and greens. While only a tiny fraction of fish/seafood remain, deer are over-populate…

The edible himalayan blackberry infestation that plagues all of the coastal PNW is widely available. It's almost impossible to kill and it fruits for long periods of time.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by zimmerfrei »

dilyevsky wrote: post #315
electroly wrote: post #213

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Multi-region is difficult and expensive, and a lot of projects aren't that important. Most of our infrastructure just isn't that vital; we'd rather take the occasional outage than spend the time and money implementing the sort of active-active multi-region infrastructure that a "correct" implementation would use. We took the recent 8 hour us-east-1 outage on the nose and have not reconsidered this plan. It was a calc…

Curios if you tell your customers you’re totally ok with having lower than 99.9 availability

How many 9s can you get from a single-region multi-AZ deployment not on us-east-1 and which nly uses basic services (EC2, IAM, S3, DynamoDB, etc)?

Really only 3?

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by bee_rider »

the_af wrote: post #280
tzs wrote: post #210

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Many years ago I stood at the window of my comfortable apartment, watching wind and cold rain rage outside. I thought about my cave men ancestors who during such a storm if they needed water would have to go out and get it, getting themselves soaked. If I wanted water, the tap in the kitchen would give it to me, in a nice controlled fashion. If I did feel like having water rain down upon me, my shower would do that,…

> Then I realized that I don't know how to build the systems that I was relying on for my supposed superiority, or even how some of them work. I used to have this joke(?) with my friends: remember Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee in King's Arthur Court"? The titular Yankee basically upends the (faux) medieval society he gets transported to, "inventing" all sorts of technological miracles. Well, I'm a software devel…

Even if you knew what to do, convincing the naturally suspicious people back then to trust a strange outsider would be tricky. Then you have to get the right materials.

If I were a bit more clever, or maybe if I was 50 years older and had played with this kind of stuff growing up, I'd probably try to make a spark-gap transmitter. That seems to be in a sweet spot of not requiring too many super clever bits, and having obvious applications.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by 8note »

whimsicalism wrote: post #352
rch wrote: post #334

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This type of person exists, and while rare, not as rare as some seem to assume.

There is nobody who exists who would be able to recreate a modern computer from scratch.

No one person could recreate the pyramids from scratch either, and that's a pile of rocks

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by whimsicalism »

8note wrote: post #398
whimsicalism wrote: post #352

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There is nobody who exists who would be able to recreate a modern computer from scratch.

No one person could recreate the pyramids from scratch either, and that's a pile of rocks

But they could teach others the principle and have them follow their directions to recreate it.

I'm saying no such person, even one who built up a team that they taught, exists for the modern computer.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Post by hagbarddenstore »

s_dev wrote: post #380
moralestapia wrote: post #376

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I think GP has a point with, >Or will smaller players go from single-AZ to more expensive multi-AZ?

No -- if they needed to they already would have migrated to a multi-region. If they don't need it -- they won't have. The reason is simple -- it's expensive as you say. I'm not a fanboi or evangelist of AWS either -- I do have pet theories they named their products with shit names in order to make more money by making AWS skills less transferable to Google Cloud etc. S3 should be Amazon FTP, RDS should be Amazon SQL…

S3 is Simple Storage Service RDS is Relational Data Service EC2 is Elastic Compute Cloud

All of these make sense.

If you're gonna complain about names, at least pick the really sucky ones, like Athena, Snowball, etc.

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