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YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by op00to »

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #378
deadalus wrote: post #184

Youtube Alternatives : Centralized : Dailymotion, Bitchute, Rumble, DTube, Vimeo, Vidlii, DLive, Triller, Gab TV Decentralized : Odysee(LBRY), Peertube

Someone has already linked to it being posted on Gab. What people are really upset about is that they can't use Youtube's technological prowess, audience reach and outlet legitimacy to promote their ideas. When someone sees: "You can't find it on Youtube, but it's hosted on Gab", The listener draws enough conclusions about the media and it's intended audience for it to be dead on arrival.

… and those conclusions - that the song is harmful and frankly not good - are by and large true after reading the lyrics.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by IncRnd »

gzer0 wrote: post #340
yesbut wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, vaccines prevent you from ending up in the ICU, but they aren't preventing the spread. Did you think the vaccines would prevent you from contracting covid? Wear your masks people.

Yes, vaccines prevent you from ending up in the ICU, but they aren't preventing the spread. This portion of your comment in particular is false. People who receive two COVID-19 jabs and later contract the Delta variant are less likely to infect their close contacts than are unvaccinated people with Delta. Relevant Nature article (October 5, 2021). However, good job on the masks part, please keep wearing them! :-) [1]…

Here is the full quote from the article:

"The study shows that people who become infected with the Delta variant are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts if they have already had a COVID-19 vaccine than if they haven’t1. But that protective effect is relatively small, and dwindles alarmingly at three months after the receipt of the second shot. "

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by ofou »

unclebucknasty wrote: post #230
ofou wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to provide context "NIH admits Fauci lied about funding Wuhan gain-of-function experiments" [1] If there's no one even making art with borderline lyrics, nobody may realize there's something besides the status quo. I'm not saying that I agree with all dissidents opinions, but I strongly disagree with messing with art. It's music for god's sake. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28972283

This "art" is not being produced in a vacuum. YouTube is fighting a problem with disinformation that has significant implications on a public health crisis. I don't see why they should respond any differently, simply because someone is singing the disinformation.

There's a long list of serious health issues currently.

For example, should Youtube start banning all modeling videos because is taking the life of young teeneagers with eating disorders?

What about smoking, drinking and illegal drugs on musical videos by very, very popular singers? Should Youtube start banning them too?

As far as I know, the example issues are taking way more lives than the current ONE. It's a double standard just to comply with the status quo.

Don't mess with art, it's just art, we all agree.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by OrangeMonkey »

bloopernova wrote: post #269
matheusmoreira wrote: post #171

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It's a song, not a scientific journal article.

People spread misinformation through memes or image macros. Why should songs be considered differently? There's a segment of the US population that believes and spreads the harmful misinformation in memes and YouTube videos. That's all well and good when talking about aliens building pyramids or whatever. But currently we have this same segment of the population refusing to get vaccinated, mask up, wash their hands,…

Comedy, Music, The Arts - things I don't want the ruling class of the day to suspend and police.

The parties go back and forth every so often - it used to be the conservatives who wanted to censor music, now its the liberals. Its tiring. I want off Mr. Bones Wild Ride.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by rajin444 »

YZF wrote: post #384
poorjohnmacafee wrote: post #336

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I think that's changing as challenging the vaccine efficacy or risk profile has become less controversial in the last month. Been sent about half a dozen videos in last week with high viewership and they haven't been removed. This is probably because all of Northern Europe has essentially banned Moderna due to myocarditis risk, and data from many countries, even the CDC's own, show the vaccinated now getting infected…

Not sure where you're getting your data but here's some data for you: http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID_sitrep/... Over the past month, fully vaccinated individuals accounted for 29% of cases and 19% of hospitalizations (In British Columbia, Canada). We have ~75% of the population vaccinated. So 25% of the people account for 71% of the cases and the case rate amongst vaccinated is significantly low…

You're looking at presented cases and hospitalizations - a fraction of a fraction of total covid infections. There's no way this accurately reflects R0 (assuming that's what you're talking about - sorry if I'm wrong!). And determining the impact vaccines have on R0 is nearly impossible - there's too many unknown unknowns that would confound it.

For example, if a flu vaccine was administered at the end of a seasonal peak, we'd think the vaccine caused the dropoff because we don't understand seasonality.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by _yoqn »

WaitWaitWha wrote: post #306

Social media cannot embrace the immunity and authority, but none of the responsibility.

Social media can and does have both.

The whole point of Section 230 immunity is to basically neutralize the platform's responsibility so in that case they shouldn't care who says what and let the opposing sides battle each other on the merits of what's being said.

So why do they maintain huge and cumbersome speech codes and rules of what can be said on their platforms?

It's simple. Threat of regulation. The tech monopolists are like the old time robber barons of the early 20th century with their mega corps (railroads, oil, tobacco, etc). They are trying to hang on to their behemoths' power and appease political forces at the same time.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by op00to »

slowmotiony wrote: post #278
whymauri wrote: post #160

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Exactly what I thought. I disagree with the video and lyrics, but there's bigger rappers that have been peddling conspiratorial, third eye awakening wish-wash for at least 20 years. This is a weird video to target, and I feel like there's bigger fish to fry w.r.t. harmful misinformation edit: about COVID. Mostly that the most dangerous misinformation is that which can actually convince people to believe untruths, som…

"This is a weird video to target, and I feel like there's bigger fish to fry w.r.t. harmful misinformation." How about I listen to what I like and you fry your fish elsewhere?

You’re free to listen to whatever you want. YouTube is free to decide not to host whatever content they want. You are free to buy a record and listen to it or whatever.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by reaperducer »

jeofken wrote: post #390
adrr wrote: post #310

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Youtube doesn't care. It can't have antivax stuff on their platform because advertisers don't want their ads on controversial content.

When I advertise to consumers, it is not important to me that they believe vaccination against COVID-19 is good or not. I really struggle to think of any company for which it is important that their customers are not sceptical of vaccinations? Maybe airlines and hotels. Since I can’t see how any company would want to reject customers for making certain decisions about their health or not, it appears to me that it rat…

I really struggle to think of any company for which it is important that their customers are not sceptical of vaccinations?

So you've never heard of the entire healthcare industry?

Aside from healthcare, every company of a reasonable size wants people to get vaccinated so that the supply chain can be repaired and they can go back to selling things the way they used to.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by _yoqn »

adrr wrote: post #310
calsy wrote: post #239

In most cases, well publicised censorship of art backfires and provides more notoriety and fans for the artist.

Youtube doesn't care. It can't have antivax stuff on their platform because advertisers don't want their ads on controversial content.

This is definitely what I would call a "wrong Why"

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by IncRnd »

iab wrote: post #301
throwawayboise wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it really matter? Clearly it would be in the realm of satire or political humor, things liberals have historically been very vocal about protecting.

Ok - can someone explain to me how this is funny? Use small words please, I want to understand

It must be funny, because many people find it to be funny.

Ours not to reason why.

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