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Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by sib301 »

plushpuffin wrote: post #370
dtjb wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roku ads take up the entire right half of the main launch screen, visible every time you turn on the TV or change apps. They've recently started displaying branded ads that are even more intrusive, taking over the entire theme + wallpaper (I recall they did this for Mandalorian, Soul, some other big movie launches). YouTube ads help fund content creators. Roku ads are being displayed on a stand alone device that I al…

Also, it's possible to disable that home screen ad, if you mess around in the secret settings screen. Hit Home 5 times. Hit Up, Right, Down, Left, Up. You're now on a secret settings screen. I don't know what its purpose is, internal development? Channel development? Set Image Service to "Dev" Set Home Screen Ad Banner URL to "Demo2" Do a Reset/Refresh of cached settings. Go to main Settings/System and reboot for goo…

I didn’t have the reset option for cached settings so I still have a large banner ad. Oh well cool stuff.

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by whoknowswhat11 »

salamandersauce wrote: post #353
whoknowswhat11 wrote: post #184

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This is really totally false. Youtube TV - Apple is not taking 30% - that's a lie basically as an example. Most of these major players (Youtube TV etc) you can sign up just on a regular website. Apple only takes a cut of these subscriptions IF you use their platform to enable them. If you do use them, the % is only 15% after 1 year. Either way - the outcome is I as a user have good access to lots of good content, no…

Apple also refused to support the encoding YT was using for 4K. It took several years before the ATV4K could actually show YT in 4K and they had that whole stupid spat with Amazon that kept Prime Video off the platform for years. Everyone in the streaming market has been greedy and childish.

Apple TV original was a very focused platform (and slow really if you were not using the apple stuff). I'm not surprised it couldn't handle YT4K. By the time I joined, Apple TV easily seems to support youtube. Apple TV is limited - no question. Doesn't support USB media etc etc. But you get a very smooth experience, very little in terms of ads. I am thinking about something that supports USB based media directly - though you can also stream to most platforms for a network storage system

The Amazon /Apple spat was annoying for sure. Now I buy my apple stuff on Amazon, etc, I think Amazon realized Apple nto a real threat to their money spinning AWS (apple's network stuff has historically been very poor and not cross platform).

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by plushpuffin »

sib301 wrote: post #391
plushpuffin wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, it's possible to disable that home screen ad, if you mess around in the secret settings screen. Hit Home 5 times. Hit Up, Right, Down, Left, Up. You're now on a secret settings screen. I don't know what its purpose is, internal development? Channel development? Set Image Service to "Dev" Set Home Screen Ad Banner URL to "Demo2" Do a Reset/Refresh of cached settings. Go to main Settings/System and reboot for goo…

I didn’t have the reset option for cached settings so I still have a large banner ad. Oh well cool stuff.

I've used this trick on a Roku 3 and a Roku 4 and it worked on both. If there's no "reset / clear cache" option for you on the secret settings screen, it might take a little while for any downloaded ads to expire.

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by ehsankia »

soraminazuki wrote: post #377
dtjb wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roku ads take up the entire right half of the main launch screen, visible every time you turn on the TV or change apps. They've recently started displaying branded ads that are even more intrusive, taking over the entire theme + wallpaper (I recall they did this for Mandalorian, Soul, some other big movie launches). YouTube ads help fund content creators. Roku ads are being displayed on a stand alone device that I al…

> YouTube ads help fund content creators I feel that this is being too generous to YouTube considering things like these: "YouTube will run ads on some creator videos, but it won’t give them any of the revenue" [1] "YouTube Will Now Show Ads On All Videos Even If Creators Don’t Want Them" [2] [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/18/21573937/youtube-ads-cre... [2]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/11/18…

Those are both misleading headlines.

For the first headline, this has to do with channels that are too small to be in the partner program. Youtube still is service provided for free, allowing anyone to upload and share unlimited videos. It's ridiculous to think Youtube shouldn't be allowed to monetize said videos and recoup some money. But also each individual channel here probably makes a few pennies and is not worth it for them to setup a whole contract for.

The latter headline is about a recent issue where some creators force-disable all ads on their channel and instead insert their own sponsor ads in the video. This causes two issues, 1. premium members who pay to not get ads still end up getting them and 2. Youtube basically doesn't get a single penny from that channel. In such cases, I think it's also entirely fair for Youtube to make some money from a video being watched by millions and costing bandwidth.

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by ehsankia »

jjeaff wrote: post #330
mdoms wrote: post #318

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> Lately, the Chromecast has become substantially worse, with many more ads and of course a stupid update nobody asked for showing kind of a tablet UI when you're in "idle" mode with the phone connected to the TV (idk how you're supposed to operate it, but I don't care, ofc it's a clickbait showcase screen). Are you sure you're using a Chromecast? Not only has my Chromecast never once shown me an ad, but I have no id…

The new Chromecast is a dongle that comes with a remote and has a Google tv interface built on Android tv. You can still cast to it like the old Chromecast. You are likely using one the older, cast only devices which have been discontinued.

Even ignoring the fact that cast-only isn't discontinued, I believe you can set the new Chromecast in a cast-only mode too. Of course this kinda defeats the point of the device, but it is doable.

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by salamandersauce »

whoknowswhat11 wrote: post #392
salamandersauce wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple also refused to support the encoding YT was using for 4K. It took several years before the ATV4K could actually show YT in 4K and they had that whole stupid spat with Amazon that kept Prime Video off the platform for years. Everyone in the streaming market has been greedy and childish.

Apple TV original was a very focused platform (and slow really if you were not using the apple stuff). I'm not surprised it couldn't handle YT4K. By the time I joined, Apple TV easily seems to support youtube. Apple TV is limited - no question. Doesn't support USB media etc etc. But you get a very smooth experience, very little in terms of ads. I am thinking about something that supports USB based media directly - th…

The ATV 4K I'm talking about is one generation behind the current one and was first released in 2017. They sold it until May of this year and it still gets updates. It always "supported" YouTube but not in 4K until tvOS 14 which released LAST YEAR. The hardware could always do YouTube in 4K and weaker devices like the 4K FireTVs could do it too.

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by soraminazuki »

ehsankia wrote: post #394
soraminazuki wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> YouTube ads help fund content creators I feel that this is being too generous to YouTube considering things like these: "YouTube will run ads on some creator videos, but it won’t give them any of the revenue" [1] "YouTube Will Now Show Ads On All Videos Even If Creators Don’t Want Them" [2] [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/18/21573937/youtube-ads-cre... [2]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/11/18…

Those are both misleading headlines. For the first headline, this has to do with channels that are too small to be in the partner program. Youtube still is service provided for free, allowing anyone to upload and share unlimited videos. It's ridiculous to think Youtube shouldn't be allowed to monetize said videos and recoup some money. But also each individual channel here probably makes a few pennies and is not wort…

> Those are both misleading headlines.

No they're not. Discrediting creators do not disprove anything stated in the headlines.

> But also each individual channel here probably makes a few pennies and is not worth it for them to setup a whole contract for.

So if YouTube is gathering every penny made by small (or in other words, most) creators, maybe it isn't fair to pretend that YouTube profiting is for some greater good while bashing competitors for doing the same.

> The latter headline is about a recent issue where some creators force-disable all ads on their channel and instead insert their own sponsor ads in the video.

That's an "issue" YouTube would rather people talk about. In reality, it is irrelevant as it applies to every single video uploaded to YouTube. It just serves to unfairly discredit creators. And before you ask, yes, there are people who made the conscious decision of not monetizing their videos that were impacted by YouTube's new policy[1].

[1]: https://larryjordan.com/articles/youtube-filmmakers-presumed...

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by ehsankia »

soraminazuki wrote: post #398
ehsankia wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are both misleading headlines. For the first headline, this has to do with channels that are too small to be in the partner program. Youtube still is service provided for free, allowing anyone to upload and share unlimited videos. It's ridiculous to think Youtube shouldn't be allowed to monetize said videos and recoup some money. But also each individual channel here probably makes a few pennies and is not wort…

> Those are both misleading headlines. No they're not. Discrediting creators do not disprove anything stated in the headlines. > But also each individual channel here probably makes a few pennies and is not worth it for them to setup a whole contract for. So if YouTube is gathering every penny made by small (or in other words, most) creators, maybe it isn't fair to pretend that YouTube profiting is for some greater g…

Two things can be true at once. Youtube is a platform that needs to make money to exist, and it can also help support creators at the same time. No one claimed it was a charity for creators.

They are perfectly justified in making money off of any video on their platform. It's honestly astonishing to me that you think it's acceptable for a creator to be able to rake in thousands from their video, hosted entirely for free, while also blocking Youtube from making a single penny from the video to pay for the cost of operation.

Re: Roku tells customers it is unable to strike a deal with YouTube

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Post by soraminazuki »

ehsankia wrote: post #399
soraminazuki wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those are both misleading headlines. No they're not. Discrediting creators do not disprove anything stated in the headlines. > But also each individual channel here probably makes a few pennies and is not worth it for them to setup a whole contract for. So if YouTube is gathering every penny made by small (or in other words, most) creators, maybe it isn't fair to pretend that YouTube profiting is for some greater g…

Two things can be true at once. Youtube is a platform that needs to make money to exist, and it can also help support creators at the same time. No one claimed it was a charity for creators. They are perfectly justified in making money off of any video on their platform. It's honestly astonishing to me that you think it's acceptable for a creator to be able to rake in thousands from their video, hosted entirely for f…

> you think it's acceptable for a creator to be able to rake in thousands from their video, hosted entirely for free, while also blocking Youtube from making a single penny

Please don’t dictate what I think. That’s not at all what I actually wrote.

Second, if anyone is operating at a loss, it’s the small creators. YouTube, operated by one of richest company on this planet, is the one profiting both directly and indirectly from those creators’ work. I also can’t understand how anyone can claim small creators “only makes a few pennies” while “raking in thousands” at the same time.

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