Can anyone tell me the problem the mob has with the MFE framework vs AA?
Is it just coming from the wrong person?
Is racism so bad in America that it is worse to be the black son of two wealthy Ivy educated lawyers, who attends private schools in NY, versus a white son with one parent in jail and the other addicted to meth in the backwaters of West Virginia who sometimes attends a broken public school when he isn't raising his 3 year old sister? Because right now affirmative action says the black guy needs the leg up in this scenario.
You'll admit that the category of 'anyone who has compared mainstream American politics to Nazism in a published article' is a pretty wide net though? Although we find it distasteful it seems to be a pretty common refrain/analogy of those in politics & media.
> You'll admit that the category of 'anyone who has compared mainstream American politics to Nazism in a published article' is a pretty wide net though? No, I won't. "Published an article in a national periodical about mainstream American politics at all " is already a really small net! "Did it in the past two months" vanishingly less so! "And is giving a PR speech for their university" and I bet we're down to popula…
So much hand-wringing as the nature of power mutates and changes hands. I generally agree that the outcomes of "cancel culture" are undesirable, but I am glad to see that in our little democratic experiment, a new form of power has found a voice and is causing those previously in power to quake in their boots. I am confident that a new equilibrium will eventually be reached that won't have such occasional appalling o…
As an Asian minority I am not happy that it is now taboo to protest racial discrimination being perpetrated against me.
So much hand-wringing as the nature of power mutates and changes hands. I generally agree that the outcomes of "cancel culture" are undesirable, but I am glad to see that in our little democratic experiment, a new form of power has found a voice and is causing those previously in power to quake in their boots. I am confident that a new equilibrium will eventually be reached that won't have such occasional appalling o…
There are lots of problems with this perspective. * The loudest voices are typically not minorities * Those with the loudest voices aren't experiencing suffering * The power they wield isn't being used to reduce suffering * The suffering actually being experienced can be reduced better without chilling free speech I think you're right that we're seeing an upset in power dynamics, but you're wrong about who is becomin…
If I am being very cynical, I say that people abuse/use the suffering of others for their own gain. PR from corps aligning with progressive aims is what I have in mind. I have seen it working with NGOs, too. Not saying we should not put the pressure on. Obviously institutions need pressure applied. But if it is always 'both barrels', we will alienate the old, the conservatives and the christians. Seeing the destruction of the political left in germany, I doubt the extreme pressure wave will yield anything but reaction. Trump 2.0.
You'll admit that the category of 'anyone who has compared mainstream American politics to Nazism in a published article' is a pretty wide net though? Although we find it distasteful it seems to be a pretty common refrain/analogy of those in politics & media.
> You'll admit that the category of 'anyone who has compared mainstream American politics to Nazism in a published article' is a pretty wide net though? No, I won't. "Published an article in a national periodical about mainstream American politics at all " is already a really small net! "Did it in the past two months" vanishingly less so! "And is giving a PR speech for their university" and I bet we're down to popula…
You seem to be adding in additional, somewhat frivolous conditions that none of the parties involved even alluded to. So yes that might drive down the number to a conveniently hard-to-research amount.
Let's start with your "2 months" figure. Who cited that as part of the reason for the disinvitation?
I don't understand the argument of people who partly justify affirmative action in college admissions with the lack of a perfect meritocracy. So just because the ideal of a perfect meritocracy is illusive, decisions shouldn't primarily be based on merit anymore?
It is a form of perverted sense of fairness. If X gets to skirt the rules, it's only fair that everybody (really, myself, but that sounds too crass) gets to skirt the rules as well.
Life isn't fair by nature unfortunately.
If you regard affirmative action as more fair than an admission system based on merit, please tell me in what sense you consider it fair that the more qualified person loses out because of their ethnicity? There are literally hundreds of Asian students who completely dedicated their youth to the goal of making it to an elite US university and then you're rejected because your acceptance would violate some quota... that just seems incredibly absurd and cruel to me. Not even speaking of the negative societal repercussions that such actions will have.
It is a form of perverted sense of fairness. If X gets to skirt the rules, it's only fair that everybody (really, myself, but that sounds too crass) gets to skirt the rules as well.
Life isn't fair by nature unfortunately. If you regard affirmative action as more fair than an admission system based on merit, please tell me in what sense you consider it fair that the more qualified person loses out because of their ethnicity? There are literally hundreds of Asian students who completely dedicated their youth to the goal of making it to an elite US university and then you're rejected because your…
perverted sense of fairness.
> per·vert·ed: (of a thing) having been corrupted or distorted from its original course, meaning, or state.
> It's a horrible look only according to incurious, oversensitive, ideological and closed-minded people. Oof - shots fired. I think you're including me in this group of "people" so I'm going to bow out as this is going nowhere productive.
> You'll admit that the category of 'anyone who has compared mainstream American politics to Nazism in a published article' is a pretty wide net though? No, I won't. "Published an article in a national periodical about mainstream American politics at all " is already a really small net! "Did it in the past two months" vanishingly less so! "And is giving a PR speech for their university" and I bet we're down to popula…
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> a very similar situation
You're saying university DEI initiatives are "a very similar situation" to the rise of the Nazi party in Germany. Do you really think this? Not only no difference in kind, but close in degree?
> They don't have any power, other than to annoy the institution. The only power here is the power that MIT has over the people they book to speak, and since MIT doesn't want to be annoyed, they canceled the speaker. The ability to get others to do what you want them to is absolutely a form of power.
I can't believe that Twitter culture has this much power but they're using it all on cancelling MIT speakers and not even trying to improve US policy.