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Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by Pelic4n » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

realce wrote: post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

>He's not trustworthy, he's a horrible manager of people, and he never pays off on what he promises.

The man was running for POTUS. Do you expect the men who lead the world to uphold your own moral standard?

From Machiavelli's The Prince:

>Every one admits how praiseworthy it is in a prince to keep faith, and to live with integrity and not with craft . Nevertheless our experience has been that those princes who have done great things have held good faith of little account, and have known how to circumvent the intellect of men by craft, and in the end have overcome those who have relied on their word. [...] A wise lord cannot, nor ought he to, keep faith when such observance may be turned against him, and when the reasons that caused him to pledge it exist no longer.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Prince_(Marriott)/Chapter...

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by netcan » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

irae wrote: post #345

netcan wrote: post #325

What's missing here, IMO, is a party. Who's with him? Do you have defectors from the 2 parties? Independents or popular figures joining up? Candidates being stood? A political party is not a manifesto, it's an organisation. I actually think there's room for a party to start gaining ground in the US. There are so many elected offices that the surface area is huge. Great for "guerilla tactics." IE, earning easy victori…

Everything must have a start. He of course have supporters and media attention. All of the questions are valid, I guess. But I would not call it a missing party, just you didn't find it yet. Also, ask on Twitter and you might get a lot of responses.

True, but what you go to as a starting point is telling.

"A lot of people on Twitter like this" is a naive seeming starting point. It just seems like an extension/abstraction of Yang's candidacy. My key point is that a party is not that.

There are lots of starting points, all incomplete, that he could have chosen. Multiple, politically credible people. Another option might be organisational novelty: This is how we'll recruit & nominate candidates.

Certainly not discounting that this can't be straightened out later, just that it is not straight now. At this point it's not that different than a book tour. It's a set of policy ideas, an author making the rounds defending them, with supporters and detractors in the public or press.

Calling that a political party should be a statement of intent. What is "the party," meaning Andrew, intending?

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by UIZealot » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

realce wrote: post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

> Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out of a job

"Not left, not right, forward" had been Andrew's slogan throughout his presidential campaign. The PAC may have come up with it (I have no knowledge either way), but it is as much Andrew's branding as it is the PAC's.

As to putting everyone out of a job, I had no idea that Andrew, or any candidate, could guarantee someone a lifetime job once they joined his PAC.

Andrew's presidential bid ultimately failed. There's bound to be disappointments all around. But your allegations ring hollow base on this comment alone.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by realce » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

rajin444 wrote: post #381

richwater wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've given so much time to this person it's insane. _why_?

I have a high level of skepticism for anyone who is a reddit moderator. This is purely speculative and anecdotal, but the ones I've known are not generally healthy, stable people.

I was a redditor for a decade before I did this, and I TOTALLY AGREE.

Reddit moderation, esp for large subs of like over 50k, is outrageous. The power you can muster to influence debate and exposure at that level is immense, and there's basically no repercussions for abusive mods. The amount of time you have to devote to managing a community is immense, the ability to keep your mod team on point is hardly possible. It's really hard and thankless and can totally twist your head up.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by qzx_pierri » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 1:21 PM UTC

geeB wrote: post #388

realce wrote: post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

I do not have any personal experience, but sadly it does not sound too surprising from what's been out publicly. The moment he dropped out and immediately got the CNN job really changed my perception of him. Then after some events from his mayoral campaign, such as his Israel comments or the Staten Island ferry cowboy incident, it's pretty clear he is a politician like many others.

I donated to his campaign after seeing him on JRE, and I’ve been getting spam emails from political candidates ever since. I’ve blocked at least 7-8 different “PLEASE DONATE” mailers, but they keep coming. I think Yang sold my info.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by afavour » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 1:21 PM UTC

Pelic4n wrote: post #391

realce wrote: post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

>He's not trustworthy, he's a horrible manager of people, and he never pays off on what he promises. The man was running for POTUS. Do you expect the men who lead the world to uphold your own moral standard? From Machiavelli's The Prince: >Every one admits how praiseworthy it is in a prince to keep faith, and to live with integrity and not with craft . Nevertheless our experience has been that those princes who have…

> The man was running for POTUS. Do you expect the men who lead the world to uphold your own moral standard?

Yes?!? It’s insane to me how little some people expect of their elected officials. Yes, the cynical side of me knows it’s never going to 100% live up to expectations once they're in power but good grief.

"things can never be good, here is a 16th century essay that proves my point" is just self-fulfilling prophecy. The Prince mirrors the politics we see today because we keep electing people who read The Prince and use it as an instruction manual.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by ryandrake » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 1:23 PM UTC

ericmay wrote: post #343

inglor_cz wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People seem to take the unity of U.S. for granted. But there is nothing granted about it. The former Spanish colonies from Mexico to Argentina were part of the same empire, speak the same language, derive their legal systems from the same framework, but they shattered into 20 different states and even led wars against one another. The only attempt to build something bigger out of them, Greater Colombia, only lasted f…

> People seem to take the unity of U.S. for granted. But there is nothing granted about it. I agree completely. It’s hard for us to imagine seeing it break up but there is nothing that prevents that except our general desire to live together. I think large democracies with functioning governments are very unstable over long time horizons. The reason I mention functioning is that if the government of a large democracy…

An entire bloody Civil War was fought over (among other things) whether or not it was possible to break up the USA. The outcome was: States cannot leave. The Constitution does not address secession, but the Supreme Court has consistently interpreted the Constitution to have created a union that is in their words, indestructible,”[1] and ultimately the Civil War seems to have pretty convincingly established the illegality of unilateral secession.

1: https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/11/14/good-question-can-...

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by nobrains » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 1:23 PM UTC

realce wrote: post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

Sounds presidential to me...

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by bko » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 1:23 PM UTC

netcan wrote: post #325

What's missing here, IMO, is a party. Who's with him? Do you have defectors from the 2 parties? Independents or popular figures joining up? Candidates being stood? A political party is not a manifesto, it's an organisation. I actually think there's room for a party to start gaining ground in the US. There are so many elected offices that the surface area is huge. Great for "guerilla tactics." IE, earning easy victori…

Since everything is politicized, the perceived stakes are so high that social / legacy media would not allow something like this to get going.

Take a look at Unity 2020, an effort to recruit a third party for the presidential run. It was banned on Twitter immediately upon creation. No explanation was given (they're a private platform).

Hopefully it'll die down a little bit now that we may have more traditional candidates on both sides, but I don't know because there are just as contentious issues today.

Everything is view from a lens of agenda. When decisions are made, they're made in the context of "what would this mean for [x]?". For instance, if a story, no matter how newsworthy, could lead to lower vaccination rates, it is more likely to be buried. And when you have organizations filled with people that believe certain ideas or politicians would literally end human existence, the stakes couldn't be higher. Any effort that could be seen as helping the wrong side is dead on arrival.

https://medium.com/arc-digital/unity-2020-a-tragicomedy-ac01...

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by realce » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 1:23 PM UTC

frankbreetz wrote: post #385

realce wrote: post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

This is disappointing to read, I guess it is true what they say: you don't become a billionaire by being a good person.

Not a billionaire, very meagerly "rich"