The conversation in the PR makes me feel like its author thinks the whole world is California and every single computer user knows what Californian laws are.
What a chauvinistic little bigot he must be.
Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
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Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
#392Does it apply to Crystal too?
No, Crystal is a separate community and thus has a separate CoC.
Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
#393From the discussion of the PR: > A protected class is a group of people that has been historically discriminated or a group of people we (as humanity) want to privilege to offset the years of discrimination - but that's not all. For example the People of Color are a protected class, because of slavery. Members of board of directors of the big corporations are a protected class because they financially contribute to t…
California Core Corporate Policies = CCCP
This definitely gives the Poe away.
Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
#394Earlier quoted context omitted.
The code of conduct is like HR. It’s there to protect the powerful, not to protect you.
I was the original author of the Pycon Canada Articles of Association back when we were starting it, which included a section on conduct and inclusivity. A code of conduct is not there to protect powerful people. It's not there to browbeat people into being absolutely politically correct 100% of the time either. A code of conduct is something you put together so that everyone involved in the initial organization look…
None of what you describe requires or is helped by having a code of conduct.
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#395I realize CoCs were introduced to make certain supposedly marginalized groups more at home at conferences. But my personal experience/feeling is the complete reverse. I am a member of a minority as a person with a disability. In all the years I was interacting with the community, I haven't had a single issue with someone I couldn't handle myself. I never felt uneasy interacting with others. But the day I saw the firs…
> But the day I saw the first CoC being used in a community I was interacting with, I started to feel uneasy. I cant really say why, but I feel I dont want to interact with groups which need rules like these.
It’s like being in a school with metal detectors. They don’t make you feel safer, they make you feel like they’re necessary because the people around you mean you harm, even when that’s not at all the case. It’s an implicit threat.
Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
#396Almost more surprising is that this was removed: > When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good intentions. In favor of this: > Participants should speak and act with good intentions, but understand that intent and impact are not equivalent. Also changed yesterday: > Behaviour which can be reasonably considered harassment will not be tolerated. became: > Behaviour which ca…
Isn't protected class an american legal term? Seems weirdly ameri-centric for a document of this nature. Not to mention that gay people weren't even a protected class in the usa until last year afaik. Not exactly a very inclusive definition. Not to mention the implication that harrasment is somehow ok against people who are not members of the protected class? I appreciate minorities get a lot of shit that others don'…
The whole movement is American colonialism.
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#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you saying that the Ruby community is trying to ban Black people? Where did you get that idea? What exactly is your point? https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/homeowners-... >When homeowners associations were first created, they helped keep Black people out of the neighborhood. They're still doing it today. >Homeowners associations exploded in popularity in the 1960s as suburb development was booming…
I think he's referring to the idea of petty HOA politics where motivated power hungry people drown others out and selectively apply rules to make others miserable.
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Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
#398dang — this thread is linking to the wrong PR. The PR which removes the phrase quoted in the title is https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2691
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#399Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you saying that the Ruby community is trying to ban Black people? Where did you get that idea? What exactly is your point? https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/homeowners-... >When homeowners associations were first created, they helped keep Black people out of the neighborhood. They're still doing it today. >Homeowners associations exploded in popularity in the 1960s as suburb development was booming…
No, but it seems they want to ban non-Americans. These CoCs are very hard to understand for anyone not familiar with US politics.
Without being aware of the fact that they were originally meant to and still do discriminate against Black Americans who were brought to this country against their will in chains to be slaves?
I still don't see the parallel with the Ruby community. I'm American and quite familiar with American politics, and I still don't see the point. The Ruby community has certainly had its sexism problems [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7], but are you saying it was also formed with the intent of banning Black people? Please explain.
[1] https://martinfowler.com/bliki/SmutOnRails.html
[2] https://codahale.com/ruby-and-male-privilege/
[3] http://devandpencil.herokuapp.com/blog/2013/10/09/being-an-a...
[4] https://python-list.python.narkive.com/ja3ig3ln/sexism-in-th...
[5] http://blog.ian.gent/2013/10/the-petrie-multiplier-why-attac...
[6] https://www.cloudcity.io/blog/2013/11/06/an-open-letter-to-t...
[7] https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents
Re: Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing views” from its CoC
#400Earlier quoted context omitted.
The code of conduct is like HR. It’s there to protect the powerful, not to protect you.
I was the original author of the Pycon Canada Articles of Association back when we were starting it, which included a section on conduct and inclusivity. A code of conduct is not there to protect powerful people. It's not there to browbeat people into being absolutely politically correct 100% of the time either. A code of conduct is something you put together so that everyone involved in the initial organization look…
The problem is your "once in a blue moon." This can easily read as, "arbitrary time where we don't have any other justification for kicking out someone we dislike."
For the truly terrible people, you really shouldn't need a code of conduct to kick them out. An assumption of good behavior is a decent assumption. For abrasive people that you don't want to deal with, things get harder if they are just difficult in good faith. But, the difficult in good faith people are the most difficult to work with using a code of conduct. Being in good faith, they likely literally don't see the problems they cause. And the code does nothing to educate.