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> Ironically , the same conservatives that have been trumpeting the 2nd have concurrently been undermining the 5th and now can be used against you as evidence of guilt. Just out of curiosity - are you possibly confusing civil vs. criminal cases? The 5th amendment does apply in civil cases to the extent that you cannot be compelled to testify - but a judge can interpret your lack of response in a negative light in a c…

I think GP must be referring to Scalia's vote in Salinas v. Texas, which decided that a defendant's silence can be used against them at trial unless they specifically invoked their 5th amendment right to be quiet.

Most directly I am referring to Duane's advice, of which I do not know his direct source (but I'm sure it's in the book as there are extensive notes).

Just thought I'd help clarify where I was coming from. That trial does seem to fit the scenario though.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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I don't know where this is going. Perhaps prepping for the global warming riots. Is there a way out of surveillance?

Being a gray man is probably the realistic solution for most people.

What do you mean by this?

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The part about being "allowed to" go outside isn't true. Take it from me, I live here and am free to go wherever I please.

Also live here. Cant leave my house without a valid excuse and even then mostly only 5km. You can easily find videos of people being arrested for doing yoga in parks. Probs get arrested even if I have a valid excuse because its 5km from your registered address and they froze address changes before I moved. You might not be as restricted but large parts of your own country are off limits to you, oh and also the rest o…

My point was that the entirety of Australia isn't in some dark fascist curfew (not just yet anyways) like the parent seems to suggest.

> ... oh and also the rest of the entire planet.

That wasn't what this thread was about but yes I am aware.

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Also live here. Cant leave my house without a valid excuse and even then mostly only 5km. You can easily find videos of people being arrested for doing yoga in parks. Probs get arrested even if I have a valid excuse because its 5km from your registered address and they froze address changes before I moved. You might not be as restricted but large parts of your own country are off limits to you, oh and also the rest o…

My point was that the entirety of Australia isn't in some dark fascist curfew (not just yet anyways) like the parent seems to suggest. > ... oh and also the rest of the entire planet. That wasn't what this thread was about but yes I am aware.

So your counter-argument to "Australia is turning itself into a prison state" is "Australia is not yet 100% a prison state, there are still some places where you could roam free, if you're careful not to go to wrong places and don't try to get out". That sounds like arguing supermax prison conditions aren't so bad because there are also county jails that people get more time for walks in the yard.

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I guess my days as a paying customer of FastMail are coming to an end. I don’t expect to ever become a legitimate target of Australian law enforcement, but there is always abuse.

Me too, and I just submitted a support request seeking clarification. I'll update with any reply I get.

Update 2:

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I have heard back from our privacy team and I’d love to share their responce to your query:

Thanks for reaching out to us about the recent bill in Australia. We love that our customers care about their digital rights and want to find out more about how companies are looking after their information.

Your data is held in datacentres in the US, but we require all requests for access to customer content to be served through Australia where our company is headquartered.

The police can't intercept, access or modify your messages without us receiving a warrant, and we take our duty of care seriously. Fastmail responds to well formed warrants only and challenges requests for access that are inappropriate, either in scope (not adequately targeted), or depth (asking for information that seems out of proportion to what's being investigated). We will continue to do so, for any legislation that applies to us both now and in the future.

The new bill still doesn't allow 'trawling' for suspicious data: they can't request access to a wide variety of accounts hoping they'll come across something of interest. They need to have a particular account under suspicion and something that gives them grounds for that suspicion, and the offence in question needs to be suitably severe to be worth the intrusion.

Where we are permitted under a warrant, we will notify the accountholder of the access request, and due to our existing measures to help customers stay aware of any hackers compromising their account, police can't also enter your account without leaving evidence you can see.

What this means for you: Fastmail remains a privacy-first provider. We will comply with our legislated duties, while taking care to ensure that we do not act unless compelled by law and that all legislated preconditions have been properly satisfied. Your data remains under your control and you can rest comfortably knowing that your account won't get caught up in a surveillance net.

Please let me know if you have any other questions. Sincerely,

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Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Update: ``` Hi, Thank you for contacting Fastmail support. I’ve escalated your ticket to our privacy team, who is best suited to assist with this issue. You can expect to receive an update in approximately two business days. I thank you for your patience as we work to get this addressed for you. Sincerely, ** ```

I got the same as well. I look forward to hearing what they have to say on it.

hey, have they replied to you yet?

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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post #394

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My point was that the entirety of Australia isn't in some dark fascist curfew (not just yet anyways) like the parent seems to suggest. > ... oh and also the rest of the entire planet. That wasn't what this thread was about but yes I am aware.

So your counter-argument to "Australia is turning itself into a prison state" is "Australia is not yet 100% a prison state, there are still some places where you could roam free, if you're careful not to go to wrong places and don't try to get out". That sounds like arguing supermax prison conditions aren't so bad because there are also county jails that people get more time for walks in the yard.

You're putting words into my mouth. There's a goddamn reason those places are in lockdown. 1000+ covid cases, while small in comparison to other countries, is the highest a state has ever had here. Lockdown has kept numbers down in the past. If state governments didn't constantly lockdown and then come of out lockdown and instead stayed locked down for longer cases would have remained in the 100s. But people are morons and they want to do whatever it is they do and pretend that people aren't dying from this goddamn disease.
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