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Post by tharne »

scrollaway wrote: post #278
Joker_vD wrote: post #225

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> But I can respect the strength, determination and shouldering of responsibilities. Ah, yes, creating the problems for yourself and then heroically prevailing over them, how very commendable. Many people seem to expect that they will be somehow rewarded, one way or another, for their self-sacrifice, but of course they don't: "sacrifice" is just something you throw away; if you were supposed to get something in retur…

> creating the problems for yourself and then heroically prevailing over them, how very commendable. Such an arrogant comment. Not only did you completely miss the point of the GP's post, but you're showcasing a bunch of disdain for people simply making mistakes and fixing them. I have no words. None that abide by the guidelines, at least.

> Such an arrogant comment.

It's not an arrogant comment, it's common sense. It's much better not to do dumb things than to do dumb things and then try to fix it. Yes, it's good to fix one's mistakes, but that doesn't mean we should be celebrating those mistakes.

It reminds me of George W. Bush bragging about the success of the "surge" many years into the Iraq war, and I remember thinking, "What a man-child, this guy wants a prize for making a disastrous decision that a bunch of people specifically warned him not to make, and then taking steps to make it slightly less of a hot mess".

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Post by FabHK »

leppr wrote: post #330
hnbad wrote: post #220

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Can anyone who downvoted comment on the reasons? I actually found this post insightful and particularly level-headed so I'm curious if it's something I've missed.

It largely is insightful, but absolute statements such as "All work under capitalism is exploitative" are debatable and often indicative of further nonsense coming up.

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Post by flyinglizard »

roenxi wrote: post #187
brazzy wrote: post #117

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> A lot of sex workers overtly reinforce social behaviors towards women (sexualization and objectification among other things) in order to appeal to men, which hurts them in the long run. This is something that's really been bugging me when looking at Reddit's porn subs. There has been a really noticeable change in the last 2 years. Back then, a majority of the posters seemed to actually be amateurs getting their kic…

Probably bad for the mental health of the men too. As the thread ancestor noted - sometimes "'fan[s]' [go] nuclear and was waging all out digital war.". I'm guessing that is just a thing some men do but it is bound to be made worse by women correctly figuring out the high-engagement equilibrium is tantalising without promising. But a lot of them probably aren't going to realise that they're dealing with unexploded or…

This is in no way exclusive to porn. After running a B2C business for a while I realized that if, as an owner, you should be wary of some people, it needs to be your biggest, most vocal fans. They are the most emotionally attached, feeling they’ve personally invested their money, time and faith into your brand and they are the most violent when disappointed. At some point they all expect special treatment, which makes disappointment that much easier.

Of course not all fans are like this but it just takes a very vocal minority to create a big problem.

But then again, it takes some insanity to become a brand fan in the first place.

I’m sure that when trading desires and emotion like on OnlyFans, the things I’ve mentioned become 100x worse.

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Post by HWR_14 »

tshaddox wrote: post #70
HWR_14 wrote: post #61

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> If in 30 years we live in a society where people post nudes like they do facebook posts, is there anything wrong about this? Well, a main issue is society isn't a monolith. Some people might not want to post nudes (just like some people don't want a FB account) but feel societally pressured to do so. Some people, specifically people hiring or electing, might look down on those posting nudes, making people whose nud…

Sure, but how is that different than any other way someone might trade their labor for money (but wouldn’t if they didn’t need the money)?

We're discussing "posting nudes like people post FB posts". What about that made it sound like commercial activity to you?

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Post by emptysongglass »

throwawaysw123 wrote: post #362
emptysongglass wrote: post #183

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My wife who is a sex worker is in therapy provided by her camsite because the work is so toxic. She was as pro-sex-work as you can be when she first started five years ago. It's majority trauma and I have to hear the stories every day. The men who drive by want to cum as fast as possible with as little damage to their pocketbook as possible. So they drive in, maybe critique her appearance, say, "tits" or "ass" (usual…

My best friend is a cam model and could really use therapy, but she has no insurance. What cam site provides therapy? My friend works for MFC, and is a "contractor", not an employee.

Can you give me a method of contacting you? Can be a throwaway email.

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Post by vmception »

kreft wrote: post #302
vmception wrote: post #81

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On the other hand, I have found it pleasant how reliably non-offensive it is to ask almost any attractive* woman about their subscription content now. It is mostly freemium or they are willing to have an objective conversation about how they’ve been thinking about it. I don’t really think it is different from a parenting perspective. Many of the women** appreciate the approach about their content because the intentio…

It's hard to make the argument for the harmlessness of porn when the sight of an attractive woman triggers the thought "I need to ask about their subscription content".

I don’t think I made that argument and I didn't mention porn, streamers and content creators have to be interesting

To me it’s no different than guessing who was approached about joining a sorority

Or who orders pumpkin spice lattes

In this reality it doesnt preclude them from doing anything else professionally, simultaneously or in the future. It is true that some people will try to exclude them, it is also true that it becomes more benign the more that other people have potentially revealing content out there

I find that reconcilable, and reinforcing that any performer or consumer affects from this kind of labor should be addressed as any other kind of labor

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Post by thepasswordis »

Who could have possibly predicted that a company which mechanized the process of targeting and turning young teenage girls into prostitutes would have a dark side?

If onlyfans happened in person, the people behind it would be in prison. They market to teenagers, and as soon as they turn 18 encourage them to prostitute themselves to men over the internet. It is a disgusting, horrible company that we should be ashamed exists.

This company, like other pimps before them, have persuaded young, often times desperate women, into packaging and marketing their humanity to people. It taught them that their friendship and companionship is a product to be sold.

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Post by _fat_santa »

somedude895 wrote: post #80
throwmeawaydddy wrote: post #33

Fire up the throwaway! Not 100% related to the article, but directly related. I worked as developer for a product in the same niche ("democratizing adult content"). I spent almost 2 years working on the frontend, devops, and building out the analytics engine (all pre-covid). Anyway, on to the comment at hand. We had a small number of users compared to OnlyFans (when I left, there were about 20K active content creator…

> The average monthly payment was $5000 (skewed massively by the top 5%). I used to work in the direct carrier billing department of a large telco and I'm still amazed by the phenomenon of whales. We'd get 98% of people spending 20 bucks on Spotify and the odd app here and there, and then there were people who would consistently spend 15k+ on Candy Crush (and pay their bills). Not the same level as what you're talkin…

I read an article a few years back about one such "whale", the guy played Clash of Clans or something similar and claimed to spend something like $500/wk on iAP purchases.

Thing is when they asked him if he felt bad spending all that money on a game he said "oh no, I'm saving money, before I picked up this game I would go out in NYC with my friends and blow a grand every weekend".

I guess it's all relative.

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Post by MillenialMan »

anotherman554 wrote: post #376
Telemakhos wrote: post #332

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There was a time when family members intervened when they saw loved ones engaging in self-harm. This husband is watching his wife expose herself to trauma so great that she feels compelled to seek therapy, a therapy provided by the same corporation that is profiting off her trauma. The easy conclusion is that the corporation provides this therapy to keep the traumatized people who drive the company's profits from qui…

"There was a time when family members intervened when they saw loved ones engaging in self-harm." Some people would call removing you loved one's agency to make their own decisions abuse.

Those people are stuck in a legalistic framework that privileges labels above reality.

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Post by enumjorge »

SilverRed wrote: post #45
650REDHAIR wrote: post #20

So our kids are getting older so I've been paying more attention to popular social networks and it's wild how many YouTubers, Twitch'ers, TikTok'ers, Instagram'ers have OF content directly linked from their non-porn bios. I don't like it, but I'm not sure what a good solution is. I mean, people are free to do what they'd like, but it's hard to police screen time 100% of the time and their peer group has a lot more ac…

Have you considered the alternative that this is not an evil which you are unable to control but just another way of living / thinking of sexual content? There is nothing inherently evil about this stuff so why is it terrible that it is becoming more accepted/common? If in 30 years we live in a society where people post nudes like they do facebook posts, is there anything wrong about this? Could you describe the harm…

What your comment and the other replies are not addressing is whether it’s healthy for kids to be exposed to pornography, which is probably what the parent comment is worried about, and not whether normalizing sex work as something that some adults do is ok.

I’m fine with de-stigmatizing sex work and pornography, but a lot of the content you find online is hyper-stylized and portrays some really unhealthy views on sex and both women and men.

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