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Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by ljm »

oezi wrote: post #322
flohofwoe wrote: post #246

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It's not like Microsoft hasn't tried very hard in the last 10 years to emulate the iOS business model, but I guess Windows users don't like walled gardens.

But they messed up so bad with the Windows store. It is beyond belief: - By including Candy Crush and other bloatware in the store, the store started with a bad reputation already. - By allowing manufacturers to define apps you cannot uninstall via the store, this infuriated any power user. - By no allowing to delete any items from your "purchase history" you could never try out any free apps without them contaminati…

I don't think it helps that MS have been trying to build new UI and app development frameworks for the past several years, each one with varying capabilities. I've lost track, I think UWP is the latest one but it's not UWP any more, or something?

It just seems harder to build and sell software that has that same quality look-and-feel that many MacOS apps have.

I just wonder what they'd be capable of if they had a separate OS that didn't have to concern itself with backwards compatibility. It'd be a monumental undertaking to do all that from scratch, not really worth it from a business standpoint, but it'd be interesting to see what they'd come up with if they started off with Linux.

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Post by salamandersauce »

xxpor wrote: post #315
salamandersauce wrote: post #117

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Free. 2025. Yes, 32-bit CPUs are out. I guess with 32-bit mode so goes 16-bit support? Probably not to the last two?

IIRC 16 bit support was dropped with 8 or 10?

It still works in 32 bit Windows 10 but you have to install NTVDM which provided as a feature on demand.

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Post by kinjba11 »

polskibus wrote: post #334

I hope embedding Teams will lead to antitrust like IE did. This is basically making everyone use Teams and will cut out a lot of competitors and other companies who have some form of collaboration built-in into their product.

I'm with you, but I doubt it. To my knowledge, Apple hasn't faced any antitrust pressure from bundling FaceTime and iMessage into iOS/Mac OS.

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Post by sbelskie »

polskibus wrote: post #334

I hope embedding Teams will lead to antitrust like IE did. This is basically making everyone use Teams and will cut out a lot of competitors and other companies who have some form of collaboration built-in into their product.

How does this make everyone use Teams?

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Post by userbinator »

xxpor wrote: post #374
encryptluks2 wrote: post #367

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Actually Windows does have a package manager now, it is called winget.

So when is MS going to start using it for basic OS stuff? :)

Hopefully once it's actually usable, which might be a long time away --- the last I looked, it didn't even support dependencies or uninstalling...

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Post by ryan29 »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #380
dean177 wrote: post #227

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- Windows have rounded corners - Teams integrated into Windows - A new widgets fly out for weather, news, etc. (appears this will require you login with a Microsoft Account) - A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup No thank you

- A new widgets fly out for weather, news, etc. (appears this will require you login with a Microsoft Account) Sounds daft and pointless to me. Are they mistaking their software for Apple or Android? Is Linux a usable alternative? IMHO, Windows 7 is my favorite OS, also XP, I don't love Windows 10 but Windows 11 sounds even less exciting, maybe MS should make some kind of "special edition" Windows XP that can support…

I don't get it either. I've never met anyone who liked any of the dynamic content provided by MS pretending that Windows is media platform. I think these are features the MS execs want, not users.

> Is Linux a usable alternative?

Who knows. Look at Ubuntu and some of the other distros that try to push the app store model, connected accounts, etc.. These people are building the software they want, not the software I want as a consumer.

I pay for Windows. I'd gladly pay for Linux instead if it was good enough.

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Post by r_police »

dean177 wrote: post #227
satysin wrote: post #94

So to summerize what they have announced (so far) - * A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? * A new start menu design * Windows have rounded corners * Some built in apps such as the Xbox app and Microsoft Store have been redesigned (Xbox Game Pass and xCloud built into the Xbox app) * New touch keyboard (SwiftKey?) with improved…

- Windows have rounded corners - Teams integrated into Windows - A new widgets fly out for weather, news, etc. (appears this will require you login with a Microsoft Account) - A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup No thank you

You will eat ze bugs.

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Post by ziml77 »

satysin wrote: post #249
kleiba wrote: post #226

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I'm not a Windows person but recently had to go through the setup process on my parents' newly purchased desktop machine. As far as I could tell, creating a user account just locally was not possible, you had to have an online account, hooked up with a valid email address. Given that most free email providers require you to provide your phone number (I don't own a phone), I had to do some digging--- all just to creat…

On a recent (i.e. the last 2 or 3 major releases) Windows 10 install (any edition) you can create a local account during the post-install setup assistant by selecting to make an offline account and then selecting "limited experience" when it tries to convince you an online account is better. You can see this in steps 8 and 9 at https://www.windowscentral.com/how-set-windows-10-local-acco...

I just did an install of Windows 10 this morning and can confirm that the option is still there in 21H1.

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Post by ziml77 »

bick_nyers wrote: post #296
Aerroon wrote: post #191

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> * A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup I refuse. There better be easily accessible versions without this requirement.

Smells like you are forced to login with a Microsoft account and can't do a local account

You can use a local account as has been demonstrated by many people on YouTube when installing the leaked build.

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Post by vbezhenar »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #251
wongarsu wrote: post #235

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A second-hand Windows 10 Pro license costs like $25 (and used to be $5). That's a pretty small price for a substantially better experience.

This is false. A pirated Windows 10 Pro license costs like $25. These are not legitimate licenses, they're overprovisioned enterprise keys being sold in violation of the license agreement. And yes, they register differently in Windows, and can be easily detected. (Command is slmgr /dli) Like, if you want to pirate software, go pirate software. If you're going to pay someone on a per-install basis for pirated keys, I'…

Cheap key allows you to activate windows and to bind valid windows license to your hardware, so you won't have to enter any product key anymore. Using cracks is just not safe for most people. I'd recommend to buy cheap key over crack any time.
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