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Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by throwthrowbye »

Hamuko wrote: post #81
minimaxir wrote: post #10

The person who the original tweet was referring to (it's not private; they admitted it), just tweeted a GIF about "witnessing karma". https://twitter.com/Prafulfillment/status/140093402468041523... EDIT: Reply on HN by the author: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27400221

> they admitted it He's now denying that he instructed others on how to skip the line, although it's not really that clear of a denial.

The post specifically told others how to skip the line, which was lying about their profession to say they were one that was qualified but that then people on site couldn’t prove.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by dang »

duckfang wrote: post #385
dang wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is this "lie" you speak of? Actually, can you please list the other ones too? It's not fair to readers to make a tantalizing claim like that and then not give them enough information to make up their own minds. It's practically dripping with duck fat. Re Bookface: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... Re YC founder usernames- it can't be secret if it's in the FAQ, right? https://news.yc…

switch the letters of my username. that's what I think of you.

Oh yes that's clear, but it's also bloody clever and you get points for that. I'm sorry if my reference seemed like a swipe; I was just trying to speak duck with you.

When people say this kind of stuff to me, I try not to take it personally because the truth is that you don't know me and I don't know you; what you're saying is not what you think of me, it's what you think of the image that you've constructed from a name plus very little information. That's not a criticism. That's just how it is on the internet.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by neonological »

dang wrote: post #352
neonological wrote: post #325

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>That is obviously not at all what I said. You said, and I quote: "Normally, of course, we'd downweight this sort of petty drama. " So I responded with statement that at its' core means that any biased entity would say this to protect their own reputation regardless of whether it's true or not. I'm not saying what you said isn't true, but given your position there is conflict of interest. This is what someone in your…

You changed what I said into " Of course on the surface you guys say you only downweight petty drama ". That was (a) a massive distortion—you can trivially see from https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... that there are many other kinds of downweighting. On top of that, (b) you added snark (" of course ") and insinuation (" on the surface ") in a way that strikes me as particularly uncharitabl…

>On top of that, (b) you added snark ("of course") and insinuation ("on the surface") in a way that strikes me as particularly uncharitable

No this is a misinterpretation or perhaps I thought the meaning was implied. The spirit of what I meant is that of course you would say something like: "HN only downweights things in the interest of the community but never in the interest of YC."

>You've done it again with "Seems reasonable to say, don't trust news about YC on HN", implying that we somehow intervene to distort that, when the truth is that we do exactly the opposite—as I'd just explained in the comment you were replying, as well as on many previous occasions: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu....

It is reasonable. It's called conflict of interest and it's encoded into the way we interpret action, motive and intention. Should we just drop everything and completely trust China when they say they say COVID wasn't a lab leak? Should we just blindly trust you when you say you don't censor the news at all when there's really no way of knowing?

Look I'm not saying you censor the news. I'm saying if you did censor the news or you didn't censor the news what you're saying here would be the exact same thing. Both the person who censors the news and the person who doesn't censor anything will say "I don't censor information." This is completely normal and expected because of the conflict of interest. This is what I mean by "Of course." My statement still stands.

There is really no way of knowing otherwise. Just because there are instances of negative news not being censored doesn't mean that nothing is censored. You can let tons and tons of negative topics through and you can also censor tons and tons of topics at the same time. Who knows? It's a common strategy to let some negative stuff through the filter just to make a news source seem like it's fair and balanced when the most insidious stuff gets burned.

You really can't prove anything here because of the conflict of interest. It is reasonable to say that you can't trust news about YC from HN just like you can't trust news about China from the Communist Party. Conflict of interest.

It's normal. Don't be offended because pretty much every organization or person is likely this. Who goes around spreading negative info about themselves?

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by eplanit »

Steve Jobs used his means to game the system to make a liver transplant available for himself; his wait time for an organ was much shorter than less wealthy and connected people. I recall no moral outrage over that[1].

A CEO who's smart enough to get their vaccine early should be acknowledged for their cleverness -- wouldn't you want that kind of smarts running a company??

I guess he would have been safer by refusing the vaccine -- oh, wait -- there's a different scarlet letter for that, right?

[1] http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/06/24/liver.transplant.priori...

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Post by proxyon »

ping_pong wrote: post #355
kordlessagain wrote: post #225

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Why is it we need to discuss this more? It’s not technical, or interesting. Just a bunch of people gossiping and trying to judge!!

There are a of questions this topics brings up. It's clarifying whether or not YC is a bunch of white, privileged elitists that have no ethics. Is this behavior endemic within YC? Is YC and dang protecting these founders and trying to brush the behavior under the rug? (the fact that dang isn't hiding the thread bodes well on this aspect) Is this the environment that new founders want to be associated with? Hopefully…

This comment is literally extremely racist. Why did you bring race into it?

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by throwthrowbye »

whymauri wrote: post #108
anigbrowl wrote: post #92

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Your post is a bit inaccurate. Biggar tweeted about his unhappiness about the behavior of a person in the private group. He received a public response fromt he person in question with a dismissive meme. He in turn responded to that. So, one could argue that the line-jumping-advocate relinquished his privacy in the first place.

I'm under the impression that any public commentary about what goes on inside that forum is generally discouraged, but that's just what I've seen. Although this is an interesting point, for sure.

You are correct. YC emphasizes regularly that the forums are private and otherwise the people wouldn’t share as much or give blunter truth.

Having seen screenshots of the post in question, it was bad, but it also would have been strange to kick someone out for that. The poster is an asshole and proud of it, but the community seems to have responded directly.

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Post by slumpt_ »

dang wrote: post #356
slumpt_ wrote: post #334

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We can set aside my history and focus on the simple point being made: labeling this issue as "petty drama" speaks volumes . It speaks volumes about you and the values you are espousing for this site and community, and reflects poorly upon YCombinator as an establishment in general. In early March we were at a point in a global pandemic where vaccines were hard to come by in the US and real lives were at risk and chan…

By the time something goes through this many twitterfilters, whatever non-petty quality it may have had to begin with has long been boiled away. It has become a self-licking ice cream cone of internet drama—something that certainly deserves the word 'petty'. Moreover, there was a long history of pettiness preceding this. We can't set aside your history because (a) you've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly a…

Yeah, I understand you don't want to set it aside in general which is fine. I was only requesting you set it aside to entertain what I was saying in the above comment.

And sure, happy to review the guidelines, all prior points aside.

Though to be clear, the problems of this community go deep when a moderator is dismissing this kind of serious issue as petty drama.

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Post by etxm »

slumpt_ wrote: post #301
dang wrote: post #210

The submitted title was "Y Combinator kicks out Paul Biggar over a tweet". That is inaccurate, so in keeping with the HN guidelines (" Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ), I've replaced the title with the tweet text. That's the standard thing we do with titles, when people post Twitter links. Much as I'd love to,…

“petty drama” speaks volumes. Edit:Please, downvote. Just reinforces my point. What is wrong with this community, jfc

> “petty drama” speaks volumes

Big time agree here. The comment was substantive and succinct. Saying it was “petty drama” in the top comment sets a tone for the convo.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by tyre »

slownews45 wrote: post #207

I'm in Oakland, I drove someone to a clinic. It was a day of pouring rain. We got there end of day. I didn't meet whatever high priority groups were getting vaccinated (though I do have a breathing related health condition). They had extra shots, they said come get a shot, their form didn't have a spot for leftover shots being used, so the women said I'll put you down as X (which I wasn't). This whole thing of trying…

Your case is a bit different. If you hadn’t taken the shots, they would have been wasted because half-filled vials are disposed of at the end of the day. So in your case it was either vaccinate someone or vaccinate no one.

It’s not the same as the accusation of someone skipping the line.

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Post by oblib »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #353
asquabventured wrote: post #348

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Shot in the arm as soon as it is offered saves lives by being one less person that will spread the virus to someone vulnerable.

I’ve been extremely cautious with covid and I do not need to interact with the public beyond quick and careful grocery store visits. It would be better for a front line worker, who is not able to exercise the same level of avoidance, to get it than for me to have gotten it. I also do not live with any immunocompromised people - we are all healthy and under 40 and they work from home - so again it was better for someo…

I'll applaud what you did. Early on there was a very clear need for those at risk to be vaccinated and the guidelines for essential farm workers were pretty clearly meant for those getting food to tables who were working in close quarters with others.

The odds of one of them getting and spreading it to many others were much greater for them than you, and that's what needed to be considered.

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