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Re: Klarna users are being signed in to random accounts

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Post by switch007 »

dang wrote: post #389
switch007 wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you being serious?

It's true - I use those comments to provide detailed explanations, which I often link back to. They're sort of the case law of HN moderation. It's my intention to someday compile them into some sort of compendium of moderation heuristics or something...not sure yet what that should look like.

So it's meant to be as inscrutable as law? I think you're mocking now. This is satire.

So instead of a simple web page explaining how HN works/see what happened to entries, you expect new users to a) discover the moderators (also not public, nothing in your profile denotes you as a mod), b) read through all your comments - a mixture of moderation notes and general comments, c) interpret all the comments and figure it out

I now ask you: are you being serious? What a joke.

Re: Klarna users are being signed in to random accounts

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Post by gspr »

timdaub wrote: post #352
gspr wrote: post #348

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They work poorly (if at all) as currencies: (1) They're way too volatile. (2) Even if they weren't, the popular cryptocurrencies today have fixed money supplies. A central bank cannot increase it to target moderate inflation.

Central banks use PID controllers to control stability [1]. Stable coin systems can use PID controller systems too [2]. Stable coins are as volatile as their fiat counterparts. Crypto currencies are run by people as much as central banks are. People can have opinions and values. People forked of Ethereum into Ethereum Classic because they had an issue with the main chain's policy. ETC community is alive. Building cry…

Sure. We can probably build a sane cryptocurrency. I'm talking about the ones that people are sinking tens of bn into and hyping the hell out of today.

Re: Klarna users are being signed in to random accounts

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Post by switch007 »

pvg wrote: post #388
switch007 wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you being serious?

Entirely

So users are meant to first discover the key (the username) to lookup the logs? Then find a needle in a haystack of comments? Again, are you being serious.

Re: Klarna users are being signed in to random accounts

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Post by switch007 »

dang wrote: post #385
switch007 wrote: post #351

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I don't want to appear ungrateful - let me take this opportunity to thank you sincerely for all that you do. Your set up appears to work, and I'm probably in a minority with my demands. We wouldn't have to ask if you had a public mod log (and banned sites list etc) and a public explanation of the algos that power HN. Your comment reminds me of hotels - "X is available, just ask". A scheme clearly designed to reduce u…

I've actually written about that a lot over the years. Here are some links I dug up (mostly via https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). If you take a look at the previous explanations and still have a question I haven't addressed, I'd be interested in knowing what it is. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23837866 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23807944 https://news.ycombinator.com/…

You're cheating: you know your username and can recall which of your comments were mod log entries.

Imagine creating such a log system in a company and expecting your colleagues to find such logs in such a manner. I'd move to get you fired.

Re: Klarna users are being signed in to random accounts

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

feu wrote: post #196
fogihujy wrote: post #164

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Let's hope not. They're deliberately trying to get people to take on debt rather than just do card payments, and even simple things like buying a book through a web site requires declining several offers for paying with credit. Unfortunately, they're huge, and I doubt the Swedish authorities will do more than give them a fine and a slap on the wrist.

>They're deliberately trying to get people to take on debt rather than just do card payments So what? It's 0% interest. It's incredibly helpful to have easy-access financing to split purchases across a few months. >even simple things like buying a book through a web site requires declining several offers for paying with credit. This sounds so specific it seems like you're taking a bad experience with one website and…

> So what? It's 0% interest. It's incredibly helpful to have easy-access financing to split purchases across a few months.

Unfortunately, this often isn't the case of people who are worse off, not good at managing their finances, and often overwhelmed by bureaucracy.

They fall behind on payments, and then get taken to the cleaners on fees, deferred interest etc., often paying several times the actual price of the product. I've seen this happen (with different but similar services).

Less savvy people being sold stuff they can't afford on credit has been such a problem that some countries have made it illegal to extend credit to someone who can't afford it, which is obviously extremely hard to enforce.

This is hard to grasp for many here, because HN readers tend to be well above average intelligence. Try to think in terms of "imagine how dumb the average person is, and now realize half the people are dumber than that". Now add mental or physical health issues into the game.

Re: Klarna users are being signed in to random accounts

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Post by _vertigo »

auggierose wrote: post #367
akamia wrote: post #310

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I worked with a team that owned a service that resizes images. An engineer was assigned a task to add support for auto rotating images. His solution involved saving the image to a file and then using a library to handle the rotation. He used a hardcoded value for the file name. In a local environment where requests are sparse this looked fine to him and other engineers on the team missed it in code reviews. It wasn't…

"An engineer was assigned" Nope. That definitely wasn't an engineer.

No true Scottish engineer would have made that error!

Re: Klarna users are being signed in to random accounts

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Post by kaszanka »

tl wrote: post #291
paxys wrote: post #257

Having at least authenticated sections of your site use HTTPS was standard well before 2011.

Let's Encrypt started in 2014 to address HTTP overuse. In 2011, I (in-house corp app dev) was still stuck with HTTP services (behind a firewall, accessible only via VPN). In 2014, public facing mobile apps using HTTP was prevalent enough to prompt name and shame campaigns. [1] My fuzzy memory suggests some banks were still using HTTP. [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/08/new-w...

If the pages are only accessible via a VPN, what does HTTPS really get you?

Re: Klarna users are being signed in to random accounts

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Post by dang »

sneak wrote: post #65

> Hear hear, I used Klarna (not by choice) It was by choice. You weren't born with an account. Not taking personal responsibility for the rise of the ubiquity of these terrible online services (WhatsApp users, I'm looking at you) is a huge part of the problem. Pretending that you didn't opt-in is a lie you've told yourself; you shouldn't propagate that lie to others in society.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27301463.

Re: Klarna users are being signed in to random accounts

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Post by dang »

switch007 wrote: post #394
dang wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've actually written about that a lot over the years. Here are some links I dug up (mostly via https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). If you take a look at the previous explanations and still have a question I haven't addressed, I'd be interested in knowing what it is. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23837866 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23807944 https://news.ycombinator.com/…

You're cheating: you know your username and can recall which of your comments were mod log entries. Imagine creating such a log system in a company and expecting your colleagues to find such logs in such a manner. I'd move to get you fired.

This feels like it's swerving into just the sort of cross-examination that I describe in the comments I just took the time to dig up for you. My purpose in doing that was not to tell you "see? anybody can just go and find these". It was, rather: here is a set of past explanations about the question you're raising, which describe our thinking on this topic. If you want to understand why we don't do what you're suggesting, you'll probably find the answer there. On the other hand, if you have a specific point that I haven't answered in the past, I'd very much like to know what it is.

The intention of all of those moderation comments, search links, etc., is to provide helpful information to people in specific contexts. Nobody's pretending that it's a global documentation system; no one's "cheating" or trying to fool anyone or trick people out of what is rightfully theirs. We're simply trying to answer people's questions and satisfy their curiosity while also staying focused on the overall purpose of the site.

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