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At best we can say it doesn't hurt some of the best-known and most popular performers in the world. If you're the Beyoncé of your field you can do whatever and it's unlikely to hurt you that badly. That has little bearing on the current discussion.
Willful ignorance is not a good argument. These performers have detailed public sales figures. We know with certainty that performing in the Super Bowl is a large boost to their sales.
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>The "pay" comes in the exposure and authority the photographer will build after doing this. This is the line every questionable business uses when trying to get freelancers to work for free. It's well-known and despised.
If it's well-known, then why do people agree to it?
Edit: For a little perspective. Whatever job you do, please come to me and do it for free, I'll post a good review for you online.
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Great, so by the logic you just set out, I think it's pretty clear that the "founding pillar" of the United States was a system that allowed us to eventually create laws that would be forced upon the slave states on account of the fact that they had originally agreed to join the Union. In other words, the pragmatic decision to keep mum about slavery (at a time when the abolitionists just didn't have the numbers on th…
That’s close enough to the notion that supporters of slavery deserve credit for the abolition of slavery, because without slavery existing it never could have been abolished. I’m not really interested in continuing that discussion.
Um, that's not remotely close to what's being contended here. What we're talking about is tradeoffs; i.e. what do you do when you want to coerce other States to abolish a regime that's politically unpopular in your State, but politically popular in the State in question? You can either do nothing, and let that system continue to exist (in perpetuity), or you can set up a new system that enables us to eventually abolish that institution from the top-down.
You have to consider the alternative: Founders that didn't create a Union, an independent South, and no real incentive or force to act as a check on slavery, and potentially allowing it to exist in the South beyond the 1860's. This is a hypothetical that's pretty easy to imagine considering that those Southern states tried creating a Confederation with slavery literally being enshrined in its Constitution (a "founding pillar", to use your framing) in 1861.
A world in which the South just agrees to join the Union in 1787 and also simply agree to abolish slavery is a fantasy. A world in which the North creates a slavery-free Union without the South is one in which slavery exists in a Confederate constitution well past the 1860's. Given those options, I'll take our reality any day of the year: the one where we created a Union that allowed us to eventually outnumber the South, elect Abraham Lincoln, and abolish slavery once and for all. That was the Founders' gambit, and the Confederates admitted just as much in their Cornerstone Speech I cited above.
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> One time someone asked me for a favor. I thought it was unreasonable so I declined. I didn't realize this sort of thing was "abusive and predatory." I feel so victimized now. This is uninteresting from my POV and against the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Please help keep HN interesting. Thanks.
You're right, I should have left off the last sentence. But words mean things. Let's save the description "abusive and predatory" for things that are, well, abusive and predatory. A voluntary invitation to collaborate does not meet that standard, regardless of its reasonableness.
But this would be too simplistic. Many 'voluntary' relationships are abusive.
Think about the system implications and dynamics over time here. There are power imbalances and changing expectations. People rarely have the unfettered freedom implicit in your claim.
And, if you think beyond the individual level -- at the society level, one's analysis must go much deeper.
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#396This will be an unpopular opinion, but I am feeling chatty today. As long as safety + working conditions are not cruel and unusual, and someone is willing to work for $0, why are you trying to stop (or hide) that fact? Someone willing to work for less (or for free) is offering a bargain to incentivize giving him/her the business or the benefit of experience instead of more $. You restricting them from doing that does…
On the contrary - I want everyone to know that they’re looking for a photographer to do this for free.
I’m 100% behind a free market; part of a free market is that your business practices can and will impact your reputation.
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The problem is that unpaid internships are a big contributor to ongoing economic inequality. In industries where jobs require experience, and that experience can only be obtained through unpaid internships, the end result is that people who can't afford to work for free for several months are prevented from entering that industry entirely.
By that logic, universities are a big contributor to ongoing economic inequality. You spend 2-4 years (at least, more if you want a post-grad) not earning any money, and in fact paying money to get the credentials needed to eventually become gainfully employed. Internships & apprenticeships serve the same educational function of universities, except you don't have to pay money to get that experience. In order to be c…
Why not? Free tuition + living stipend seems like a perfectly reasonable way to achieve a productive, well-educated workforce to me.
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#398This will be an unpopular opinion, but I am feeling chatty today. As long as safety + working conditions are not cruel and unusual, and someone is willing to work for $0, why are you trying to stop (or hide) that fact? Someone willing to work for less (or for free) is offering a bargain to incentivize giving him/her the business or the benefit of experience instead of more $. You restricting them from doing that does…
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#399To all the folks who would do it "for the exposure": my partner volunteered as a graphic designer for a well-known European charity event that featured a former US president, known music groups and fashion designers as pro bono acts and had a live TV broadcast. She really liked to volunteer and we received free tickets for said event and definitely enjoyed it. She added the project to her CV, but unfortunately it had…
You're saying she should have made money from this charity event she volunteered for? Or just avoided it, because she didn't get any meaningful "exposure" out of it? For the second time in this posting, as a (northern) European I'm quite puzzled about all of this. I think we may have wildly differing thoughts about what concepts like "volunteering" and "charity" mean.