The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram • Hacker News Board

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by eplanit » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 2:18 PM UTC

throwawaygal7 wrote: post #371

airhead969 wrote: post #126

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"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

Love the line about calling. People in this thread dont get it - if you're going to triage me against your other priorities, and if you dont care enough about our friendship to try to pickup when I call - you're not really a friend. We can still be friendly, but you're too self obsessed and 'busy' (in the inorganic, modern sense) to really be a friend

When I'm very busy or focused, and then a friend calls, I don't want to sound short and perturbed, and I don't want to answer just to plead "I'm too busy right now". This is what voicemail is for, and so long as the call is responded to in relatively short time then no foul has occurred.

I'd be leery of "friends" who want attention and interaction on demand. Only my wife has that right.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by JasonFruit » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 2:19 PM UTC

krick wrote: post #284

airhead969 wrote: post #126

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"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

That's weird. I mean, you do you, but if this is a popular opinion, I had no idea. On the contrary, I'm mildly annoyed when someone calls me to say something that could've said over the text. And I don't think of it as a personal preference: async information exchange is objectively less intrusive, which is why it should be preferred when possible (which isn't always the case, because it's also objectively less fluen…

I think your multitier "How and When It's Okay To Talk To Me" document only seems like a good way to interact with others if you ignore that they are also people with preferences and time constraints, and that communication is _between_ two people, not just _to_ you. If you take those things into account, you start to sound like a person who thinks others should tailor their actions to your whims, and thinks other people are the assholes when they don't follow your unspoken rules.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by SyzygistSix » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 2:23 PM UTC

mensetmanusman wrote: post #193

Counterculture completely aligns with corporate America now, it’s fascinating. The punk manifesto could be written by McDonalds.

That was the former counterculture. Countercultures often get co-opted by mainstream culture; the trappings of the counterculture even more so.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by SyzygistSix » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 2:28 PM UTC

mdoms wrote: post #10

The truth is that today the counter-culture is the right wing dudes (and ladies) who won't be beholden to trigger warnings, won't treat particular words as if they have magical powers and won't try to get you fired if you openly believe that male and female are real concepts. If your cursor is hovering over the downvote button right now then that's natural - counter culture isn't popular. By definition.

No it isn't. (Sub)cultures are not the same thing as countercultures. Right wing vs. left wing is the same as choosing between Coke and Pepsi. There is no way to get to a modern counterculture when the focus is on Identity and Individual Consumer Choice.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by SyzygistSix » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 2:30 PM UTC

aidenn0 wrote: post #23

andrepd wrote: post #16

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That's precisely the irritating image people like that have of themselves, which does not correspond to reality. What does it mean "beholden to trigger warnings"? I'm not sure in which sense you are beholden to something which you likely haven't even encountered outside of internet posts making fun of trigger warnings. What magic words are those? Not saying n*gger in polite company isn't censorship, it's just good ma…

While I don't think the GP post is correct, counter-culture necessarily has bad manners, because manners are all about cultural norms.

This is a ridiculous assertion. That might be true if mainstream culture was polite. But it isn't.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by SyzygistSix » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 2:36 PM UTC

mdoms wrote: post #30

jandrese wrote: post #24

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I mean if you can't openly express your dominance and superiority over some other group of people is life even worth living?

Counter culture should make you uncomfortable. Otherwise what's it counter to? By the way, a lot of people here seem to think that the term "counter culture" has positive connotations. It doesn't, necessarily.

Counterculture should also be against the mainstream culture. Neither Right nor Left wing as defined by Republicans and Democrats, or the NYT and Fox News, are against mainstream culture.Nor are the increasingly smaller subcultures on the margins of either side.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by SyzygistSix » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 2:41 PM UTC

throwitaway1235 wrote: post #113

bitwize wrote: post #53

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No, that's not the counterculture. Those are just bigots butthurt by the fact that society is starting to enforce norms of human decency which the counterculture has promoted through example for decades. Meanwhile a child who stands up for trans people is being censored. As in, actual censorship, by the government: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-commentary/canc...

LGBTQ+ are establishment identities. Being straight with a nuclear family is counter culture. In 2021 Rolling Stone magazine is the epitome of establishment culture media.

No, neither of those mainstream models of living are countercultural. The LGBTQ+ was countercultural, but is no longer. It's nice that a person's individual choices, whatever they may be, are no longer controversial. But that also means we have to look beyond individual expression to find the present day counterculture, something that a lot of people in this thread seem to miss.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by SyzygistSix » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 2:52 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #3

Yet his examples are people who did stuff to get clicks. Arguably, the most effective counterculture in recent times was QAnon. That didn't end well.

Your first observation regarding clicks was right on but QAnon is just another consumer choice for people to add to their Identity. As a general rule, if there is advertisement and sales around a space, it isn't countercultural.

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by calibas » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:15 PM UTC

agumonkey wrote: post #289

keiferski wrote: post #55

Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords. I strongly recommend reading The Ethics of Authenticity. It’s all about the trend of individualism and how it precedes social media by...centuries. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987692 Social media is no longer authentic so you’re seeing a slowly growing backlash against it. https://se…

I think the whole thing is bogus from the start, the 'social media' idea I mean. These are companies.. they're not here to make culture or societies.. they're parasite leeching on your human needs. When a new trends starts organically, it's all impulsive and genuine, then people start to profit on it and the game is over.

> When a new trends starts organically, it's all impulsive and genuine, then people start to profit on it and the game is over.

What you describe is simply the nature of a trend, it's happened with everything from modern Occupy movements to the teachings of Jesus. Something original and authentic becomes stale after it's been repeated a million times over.

The problem is with trends themselves, the original idea is authentic, but then it passes like a wave in the frenzy of a "trend".

Re: The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by marcosdumay » Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:16 PM UTC

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #387

bawolff wrote: post #318

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Does limited time codes really get you anything that putting a date or which vaccine you got wouldn't? Besides, seems a bit overengineered for something that might happen in theory but hasn't yet.

Officers at passport control aren't trained health officials. It can be hard for them to make sense of certificates and understand what vaccinations are valid and which aren't, or which no longer are. That is why governments want to present an app where trained officials at the health ministry have already decided if the person is safe for travel or not, and just show border control officers a green check mark or no.

What is irrelevant again, because those officers will read the QR code with a computer. The computer can summarize to them how valid the vaccine still is.

There is no reason at all why a paper printed QR code can't tell exactly what vaccine you have taken, when you took it, who exactly are you, and what authority is authenticating the data. From there, any extra data is only needed at the time of reading.