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Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by iknowstuff »

martimarkov wrote: post #346
lux wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of making the split at the app store level, enabling other payment processors within the iOS app store would solve most of these issues without creating a UX nightmare. That said, I wouldn't mind competition at the app store level too.

As iOS user I completely disagree. I love the Apple platform for the simplicity. Every time there is a payment I choose Apple Pay as it's more secure than giving my card away. It uses biometrics, not some static digits stuck with card if you lose it. It's also more or less valid for Google Pay as well. Having the option to use PayPal, Stripe, some other payment processor increases the stress on the UX and also the at…

Apple Pay is separate from In App Purchases and the app store is not needed for its security features you seem to like. Ironically, a payment processor like Stripe is usually the thing facilitating Apple Pay support on the backend.

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Post by [deleted] »

croes wrote: post #321
jwagenet wrote: post #269

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You have the choice to not use iOS and not use the Apple App Store. You might not like Apple’s attitude around their operation of the App Store so you don’t use their devices. You might have missed some great apps, but there are still many great alternatives on Android.

Imagine the same choice on a PC. Microsoft doesn't allow a ceeatin software just switch to MacOS or Linux. All the software you previously bought is useless and you have to buy it again. So because multiple AppStores is too much of hassle you need to keep multiple smartphones or buy the same software twice.

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Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by blibble »

mdoms wrote: post #387
dubcanada wrote: post #184

I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lates…

> I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lat…

most of them you can configure to exit after starting a game too

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by swiley »

dubcanada wrote: post #184

I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lates…

If you don't like it then stop using crappy software.

Right now the only choice people have for a phone that doesn't force you to have an apple or google account is a pinephone and this could potentially fix that.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by parasubvert »

mdoms wrote: post #387
dubcanada wrote: post #184

I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lates…

> I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lat…

Most iPhone users do not want to open multiple stores. We like and want Apple's curation.

This is why Epic's position is a very difficult anti-trust argument: Apple is aligned with what many customers actually want.

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Post by nxc18 »

zionic wrote: post #340
cesarvarela wrote: post #262

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I think if you open up what you want you lose the security and convenience that would make you stick with Apple too.

I doubt any significant volume of people who sell their iPhones and go android if Apple allowed other app stores.

Of course not. Not immediately. Just like you wouldn’t move cities if the police announced they’d no longer enforce traffic laws or investigate/attempt to prevent gun violence.

Then after the homicide rate doubles, there’s shootings almost daily, and you can’t get from point A to point B without a reckless driver risking your life, you might get stressed.

At first you’d consider moving to the suburb, but you can’t, because Epic’s lawsuit applied internationally and nationally, so actually no community is allowed to police itself in any way (Epic also sued Google for Google Play and I really don’t get why no one on HN is capable of remembering or considering that). And then you’d think, “if I can get murdered here or I could get murdered there, might as well save on rent”. And so, Epic has succeeded in destroying a large part of what makes the iPhone unique.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by hctaw »

the_duke wrote: post #102
aboringusername wrote: post #11

It feels a bit hypocritical when Apple laughs at FB for complaining about their new tracking pop-up yet when the shoe's on the other foot and Apple may actually have to compete on its own platform they double down and defend their right to be judge, jury and executioner. Apple competing with third party app stores on iOS is going to be amazing. No computer platform should be allowed to prevent sideloading or other st…

> This isn't the case on Android. I'd argue that it is till the case on Android. Yes, alternate stores are possible, but they are severely handicapped. First, manual APK install has to be enabled in obscure settings that come with a "scary" warning. Then they can't provide auto-updates but require a manual confirmation for each version update. Epic gave up on running their own store on Android due to the difficulties…

I don't think fees are as large a problem as competing against first party apps in the same marketplace that don't pay the fees or have the same restrictions. iMessage for example doesn't require granular permissions for photo access like Messenger does, Apple Music doesn't have an additional 30% overhead as Spotify, etc.

If you run a store your apps should play by the same rules as the apps you compete against.

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Post by Fwirt »

jayd16 wrote: post #297
the_duke wrote: post #102

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> This isn't the case on Android. I'd argue that it is till the case on Android. Yes, alternate stores are possible, but they are severely handicapped. First, manual APK install has to be enabled in obscure settings that come with a "scary" warning. Then they can't provide auto-updates but require a manual confirmation for each version update. Epic gave up on running their own store on Android due to the difficulties…

>Then they can't provide auto-updates but require a manual confirmation for each version update. Is this true? Did they change the install permission to one time use or something?

There are two different layers: The app has to have OS permission to install APKs, and then the app has to have user permission to install each individual APK. Android will prompt you each time. The only apps exempt from this are "system" apps (baked into the root-only partition) which are allowed to install/upgrade software without asking the user. It makes sense from an anti-malware perspective, but then again most malware finds ways around this anyway so you could argue that it serves no purpose and is only user hostile.

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Post by parasubvert »

cycomanic wrote: post #370
dubcanada wrote: post #184

I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lates…

I wonder what we used to do before we had appstores? That must have been a horrible time. And we didn't have amazon either how did we even shop? Sorry for the sarcasm, but why do we even need appstores, apart from it being a website to download stuff?

Simple answer: People didn't use computers or phones to do most things. They'd pick up the phone and talk to a human, or they'd go to the physical store, and talk to a human.

Nothing wrong with that, but app stores, among other things, made computers far more accessible for non technical people, to do things like shop from their couch without talking to anyone.

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