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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Post by tanseydavid »

ztratar wrote: post #119
Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

The guy in the fur hat was arrested and had a Parler. This isn't hard. The majority of people arrested had Parler accounts -- it's everywhere.

>> The majority of people arrested had Parler accounts -- it's everywhere.

Do you want to bet on what percentage of them own Smart Phones? I would wager 100%.

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Post by metiscus »

djsumdog wrote: post #385
metiscus wrote: post #367

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I believe that companies are largely on their own team, neither right nor left. How long before labor begins to be de-platformed for unionization efforts in the big tech companies? I know that there are already allegations that Amazon is acting in an extremely anti-labor way. Will the current argument of "platforms have a right to choose what content they will allow on their service" (which is a common argument for w…

> I believe that companies are largely on their own team, neither right nor left Wat? Dude, Twitter, Reddit and Facebook's moderation policies are clearly left to far-left. They've done no blanket banning for calls to violence from the left. None of these people have had their pages, accounts or posts censored: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eQzLcO5qhY and they clearly called for the types of violence we saw in 201…

Right now the winds are prevailing from that direction, yes. Were the opposition to have a single party government I suspect things would be different. Currently anti-trust legislation looms over them and they are gravitating towards the graces of those in power as well as removing accounts that legitimately do advocate violence (albeit not as evenhandedly as they should).

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Post by ardy42 »

tbenst wrote: post #129
Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

This is almost certainly false. For example, see the arrest of the leader of the Proud Boys (for events prior to Capitol, but played active role on Parler encouraging proud boys violence that day): https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/several-well-know...

>> Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silencing competitors on ideological grounds: just the start.

> This is almost certainly false. For example, see the arrest of the leader of the Proud Boys (for events prior to Capitol, but played active role on Parler encouraging proud boys violence that day):

And this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/technology/capitol-twitte...:

> Those alternative social media sites were rife with Trump supporters organizing and communicating on Wednesday. On Parler, one trending hashtag was #stormthecapitol. Many Trump supporters on the sites also appeared to believe a false rumor that Antifa, a left-wing movement, was responsible for committing violence at the protests.

> “WAKE UP AMERICA, IT’S ANTIFA and BLM operatives who are committing the violence, NOT TRUMP SUPPORTERS!,” said one Parler account member called @Trumpfans100, offering no evidence for the claims.

Even though Greenwald is wrong, he's not totally wrong. I think he's correct that the "majority" of the planning happened on Facebook, but that was kind of a funnel to Parler. My understanding is that was mostly for seemingly legit stuff, event for protests, was done on Facebook. Those pages then linked to Parler, where more extreme planning took place, out-of-reach from Facebook's policies.

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Post by jakelazaroff »

tedivm wrote: post #348
jakelazaroff wrote: post #225

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Glenn is either terrible at research or lying. https://twitter.com/azforeman/status/1348648808390008832?s=2... Google “baked alaska parler”. It’s literally on the first page of results.

Glenn is hiding behind the "were arrested" phrasing, so despite the fact that baked alaska has a parler account and was literally livestreaming from the capital he doesn't count in Glenn's opinion as he hasn't been arrested yet. What Glenn is saying is technically true, but also complete garbage. It's meant to fool people who can't do the minimum levels of research. https://www.insider.com/washington-dc-protest-lives…

Ah yes, good point. I mentioned that elsewhere in the thread… but I guess I forgot when I started doing my own research, because the notion that you could livestream your participation in a terrorist attack at the Capitol and not get arrested immediately is absolutely bananas.

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Post by brabel »

Normille wrote: post #373
brabel wrote: post #265

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The whole claim by Parlor (read the linked complaint) is that AWS is doing this in coordination with Twitter to stop the flood of conservative people (including Trump himself, allegedly) moving from Twitter to Parlor after Twitter banned Trump (this is substantiated with links from media claiming that could happen and by the fact Parlor had become the most downloaded app on the AppStore after Twitter announced the Tr…

Parl-fucking-LER! At least take the time to note the name of the company, before weighing in with your opinions. [None of this confusion would arise, if you Yanks spelled 'Parlour' properly]

Not a Yankee. And sorry for misspelling and hurting your feelings.

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Post by tanseydavid »

wyre wrote: post #349
meekmockmook wrote: post #278

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Tell that to my favorite ice cream shop that was smashed to bits on Melrose. Or the synagogues on Fairfax that were defiled. Or the vehicles all over DTLA that were set on fire. Or the man who died of smoke inhalation in a Minneapolis shop because he couldn't escape the flames. At least 19 people died last summer. Don't downplay it.

That is not equatable with breaking into a national building with the intent to kidnap or kill. MAGA bludgeoned a Capitol Police Officer to death. Last summer doesn’t compare.

>> Last summer doesn’t compare.

You can state this opinion as fact but I think it is important to acknowledge that many people experienced the events of last summer in a way that makes it quite comparable to them.

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Post by jf22 »

Nacdor wrote: post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

Ironically, Glenn Greenwald is one of the few people who has blocked me on Twitter.

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Post by cy_hauser »

cudgy wrote: post #300
wpietri wrote: post #140

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Twitter and Facebook have extensive systems for keeping the various horrors in check. They are not as good as I think they should be. But they're miles better than what Parler had, which was more of a fig leaf. (Full disclosure, I use to run an anti-abuse engineering team at Twitter. Now I'm at the ADL building the Online Hate Index.) I will note that whatever antitrust beefs people have with Big Tech, Twitter isn't…

“Twitter and Facebook have extensive systems for keeping the various horrors in check. They are not as good as I think they should be. But they're miles better than what Parler had, which was more of a fig leaf.” If Twitter and Facebook (being multibillion dollar companies with a decade or more to build these algorithms) haven’t solve this problem yet, how can any upstart possibly compete with them? They’d be shut do…

Being smaller they can and should user human moderation. Twitter and Facebook have problems because of the huge number of posts. Parler is still small enough that then _can_ moderate.

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Post by tanseydavid »

wpietri wrote: post #140
meekmockmook wrote: post #17

I have seen so many violent threats and incitements on Twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, and Instagram over the last 5 years that Parler could possibly make the case that they've been singled out, but I doubt it. They're just too unsympathetic of a plaintiff, imho. That said, antitrust battles against Big Tech will dominate the next four years of economic policy, and rightfully so. GAFA is too big, too powerful, too manip…

Twitter and Facebook have extensive systems for keeping the various horrors in check. They are not as good as I think they should be. But they're miles better than what Parler had, which was more of a fig leaf. (Full disclosure, I use to run an anti-abuse engineering team at Twitter. Now I'm at the ADL building the Online Hate Index.) I will note that whatever antitrust beefs people have with Big Tech, Twitter isn't…

How does Twitter's market cap relative to Google or Facebook have anything at all to do with Antitrust law?

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Post by swebs »

wyre wrote: post #349
meekmockmook wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell that to my favorite ice cream shop that was smashed to bits on Melrose. Or the synagogues on Fairfax that were defiled. Or the vehicles all over DTLA that were set on fire. Or the man who died of smoke inhalation in a Minneapolis shop because he couldn't escape the flames. At least 19 people died last summer. Don't downplay it.

That is not equatable with breaking into a national building with the intent to kidnap or kill. MAGA bludgeoned a Capitol Police Officer to death. Last summer doesn’t compare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_David_Dorn

https://www.voanews.com/usa/race-america/antifa-protester-im...

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