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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by phatfish »

xirbeosbwo1234 wrote: post #93
sacks2k wrote: post #26

The people cheering this on will not be protected when the mob comes for you. We live in a digital age. If having the wrong opinion means you can get your bank accounts and all Internet presence removed from you, it's not any different than living under a fascist government.

Other people have pointed out that Trump and much of the GOP just launched a coup, so I'll leave that aside. Of course it's different from living under a fascist government. A totalitarian government would send you to a prison camp or kill you for saying the wrong thing. The Stasi would systematically and invisibly ruin all your relationships and your career. People who are banned from Twitter can go to another websi…

The American dedication to free speech only functions when people -- especially those in power -- are acting in good faith.

Trump took the pseudonymous troll culture of the internet to the highest office of government, and this is the result. Trolls and Trump play by different rules, truth and facts are inconsequential -- all that matters is the reaction of their victims.

I have sympathy with Trump supporters that are not in on the "joke". It's not stupid to believe the president of the United States will be honest with them (at least on issues of national importance like "massive" election fraud), but he won't. If you were attracted by his other views (however distasteful), it is a bitter pill to swallow to admit he is a lier.

Americans are lucky their constitution was strong enough to ensure (at least) Trumps tactics to overturn a democratic vote failed.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by Trasmatta »

camhart wrote: post #385
Trasmatta wrote: post #337

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Huh? You're really trying to compare what some randos do on Twitter to what the President of the United States did on Wednesday? Really think about it: the President of the United States incited a mob to attack the Capitol to prevent the certification of the vote of his political opponent. He did this by pushing constant lies and propaganda for months, and urging his followers to "fight" for him. Go watch his speech…

Do you honestly believe Trump was trying to overthrow the government? Had that been his real intent I'm fairly certain it would have had a more significant outcome beyond people stealing random envelops and podiums. It was a protest that went too far. We've seen plenty of this occur from both sides in the past year.

He was trying to overthrow the election, yes. The same thing he's been trying to do since November 4th. The fact that it was an incompetent attempt (like all of his attempts) makes no difference.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by gher-shyu3i »

rglover wrote: post #259

Maybe I'm being naive but it seems like a larger problem is being ignored here that I feel I should call attention to. This is going to piss people off and some of those people are going to be real, nothing-to-lose extremists. Actions like these though seemingly harmless in the short-term are going to radicalize the exact person/type of people that you do not want to radicalize. Because a lot of high-ranking SV folks…

> This is going to piss people off and some of those people are going to be real, nothing-to-lose extremists

Sometimes certain things need to be dealt with by force, there's no way around it.

It seems that that freedom of speech is not the cause of stability, but stability gives rise to (certain degrees) of freedom of speech. It's a slippery slope, but each country has to have a moral basis on which to decide where to draw the line.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by bigcorp-slave »

sacks2k wrote: post #384
bigcorp-slave wrote: post #52

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I don’t know if you were paying attention last week, but the mob literally came for the members of Congress. There are wrong opinions, and then there is “six million Jews were not enough” and “hang the Vice President”, and a violent mob attacking the Capitol. No one is under any obligation to tolerate such actions in a civil society. If I advocate for your murder, am I just expressing an opinion that should be conseq…

"I don’t know if you were paying attention last week, but the mob literally came for the members of Congress." A couple of hundred people attacked the capitol in a crowd of 500,000+. Do you remember the phrase 'mostly peaceful protesters'? We've been hearing it for 8+ months after violent riots in major cities which resulted in 30+deaths, hundreds of innocent people attacked, and 1 billion+ in property damage. "There…

There is a difference between eight months of protests in which 15-26 million people participated across the entire country resulting in significant property damage and some loss of life (~25 people), and what happened last week.

Let’s call what happened last week what it was: a terrorist attack against the seat of government perpetrated by the ruling party in an attempt to overturn a democratic election.

You need to take a serious look in the mirror and ask if you’re the bad guy. As arch-conservative a figure as Mitch McConnell describes this as a failed insurrection and you make excuses for it.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by bmarquez »

ethbr0 wrote: post #377
bmarquez wrote: post #149

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> And we're also at the point where some companies won't provide you with respectable service unless you @ them on social media. Real-world example: T-Mobile. Their Twitter and Facebook representatives (called T-Force) have better customer service (they are more empowered to help you without supervisor escalation and fix things faster) than calling 611.

I think that's essentially saying that "Customers who stand in the town square screaming 'T-Mobile sucks!'" get attention faster than ones that send private letters to T-Mobile. It's sad, but at least we have a digital public square?

You can direct message @tmobilehelp on Twitter and you get access to the same representatives that respond to public complaints, without actually having to publicly complain.

I'm not sure if this is intended behavior (or if it works with other companies), but it solves my problems quickly.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by pmiller2 »

zaroth wrote: post #376
ketamine__ wrote: post #281

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Parler bans people that post poop pics. It just so happens that mainstream services have a higher standard. But seriously, how is mounting an insurection a slippery slope? At this point I get the feeling that a lot of people posting here are apologists for domestic terrorism and it worries me. There are violent people and they think like Timothy McVeigh. That should worry you. It should worry you even more if they ca…

> At this point I get the feeling that a lot of people posting here are apologists for domestic terrorism and it worries me. What a great way to shut down any discussion. Anyone who doesn’t agree must be terrorist apologists? If you read these comments and all you can see in anyone not posting full throated praises of this purge are people defending terrorists, consider taking a break from the discussion and come bac…

What else do you call it when those people arguing in support of someone who incited a mob on the Capitol?

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by Anthony-G »

pmiller2 wrote: post #271
memonkey wrote: post #221

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The assumption that a government model would cause a loss of innovation seems dismissive of what the government model has brought us in the past (DARPA, Space Program, nuclear energy, etc., etc.)

You forgot the internet.

That’s probably covered under DARPA – though other academic and government networks were also involved.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by davesque »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #95

There is a difference between bank accounts, Visa/MasterCard access and Internet service, on one hand, and App Stores, Twitter accounts and payment providers, on the other hand. The First Amendment promises both free speech and free assembly. Core to the latter is the freedom not to assemble. This freedom is regulated. You can’t refuse to do business with protected classes. But political affiliation is not a protecte…

Very well said. The critical point is that society is constantly balancing different factors. Sometimes, the balance has been good enough for long enough that we don't even see it. We were in that situation until Trump arrived. During that time, we grew accustomed to talking about our liberties in a way that lacks any depth or nuance.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by incrudible »

eejit_compiler wrote: post #381
incrudible wrote: post #353

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It is divise and it will backfire. Soon there will have to be a separate everything for Republicans and Democrats. Chances are that Trump is going to own a big part of it. That is why Trump is not on Gab or Parler, because he will compete with them.

I think the issue is more that Trump, who is a highly divisive character, has become the face of the Republican party. So people end up conflating the ostracism of Trump and those in his periphery with an attack on the Republican party.

Trump to this day has an approval rate of around 40%. That is a pretty large “periphery”. You can not just seperate him from the Republican party. They tried and failed.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by kuzimoto »

Tokkemon wrote: post #268
chrissnell wrote: post #188

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Antifa's not an organized thing like you keep saying it is. The Proud Boys, on the other hand...

> Antifa's not an organized thing

While there may be no central leadership, there are definitely organized chapters. That's exactly what they would like people to believe. And yet, they seem to act in an incredibly organized fashion...

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