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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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The wikipedia article for the 1876 presidential election should probably be removed from google search as well [1], since it alleges widespread fraud that changed the result of the election, and we are past the safe harbor deadline.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1876_United_States_presidentia...

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#393

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

Once again a thread about censorship invites comments that ignore the nuance of the situation. Having companies dictate what information is widely accessible is dangerous for democracy. Having the sitting president make completely baseless claims in an effort to delegitimize the results of an election because it didn’t go his way is also dangerous for democracy. That’s what we call a tricky situation. We don’t have a…

I dunno, did that stop the previous loser form claiming Russia cost her the election? Did the media come out and condemn the "undermining of election results" as a consequence? Did the media, youtube, Google, Facebook, have to babysit us? Did they have to babysit the Steele Dossier too?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#394

We've seen instances worldwide in the past of false conspiracies spinning out of hand, resulting in deaths. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-46145986 At some point, it becomes reasonable to ask whether private institutions have a responsibility to intercede when their media is used to spread false information that riles hate mobs to kill people.

You don't even need to go that obscure. Just look at the huge rise of Measles in 2019. A 50% increase in deaths compared to 2016. All those extra deaths are directly tied to the antivaxx movement. If social media had banned antivaxx sooner, those people would still be alive.

Blocking this content quite literally saves human lives. Same with antimask content.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Great, maybe now we can stop considering them a platform and hold them liable for their content, while other p2p video platforms can provide services Youtube used to provide.

So because you don't like them you want the goverment to censor them?

No, they are acting like a curator of content and are enjoying privileges of platforms, don't you think that's an unfair advantage?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#396

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

It's depressing to read this quote and then realize it was delivered in 1922, meaning our media has been suffering from this problem of extreme political bias for likely more than a century now.

A lot of my friends spend all day "Liking" Facebook posts that mocking Trump supporters as ignorant simpletons, then they repeat blatant falsehoods like "Trump told people to drink bleach" or "Trump called Nazis 'very fine people'". The irony is completely lost on them because they're so deep in their own disinformation bubbles.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#397

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

The fact is that people believe and watch misinformation promoted by Youtube algorithms in the first place.

It's probably not intelligence either, given that people believe in what they want to hear rather than not.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#398

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

There has been obvious evidence of voter fraud. Please see the videos of the poll workers running ballots at the State Farm Arena in Detroit after they kicked out the poll challengers from the room. I know many people will eagerly spin this evidence (and countless others) so I'll compound it with tangential evidence not related to voter fraud, per se.

1. Why hasn't Kamala Harris resigned from her senate seat?

2. Why hasn't any of the Dominion Voting Systems Smartmatic executives been willing to comply to subpoenas to testify?

3. Why did voting stop on Tuesday night? Historically, vote counting has continued non-stop; even with the Gore-Florida fiasco.

That should be sufficient to pique anyone's attention that there's something funny business happening.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#399

For God's sakes ... What underpins this need for social media companies to virtue signal about protecting 'election integrity' is the false notion that 2016 was stolen from Hillary by the Russians - a claim that had no evidential support (and no, that some trolls bought a minuscule amount of Facebook ads does not raise this claim to that level) but the entire Democratic party, with media allies, promulgated for the l…

> the entire Democratic party, with media allies, promulgated for the last 4 years and pressured social media leadership to adopt as well.

Democrats have claimed pretty every election for the last 20 years has been stolen, or at least could have been stolen, due to dominion's voting machines having the ability to flip votes undetected. Bev Harris's book Black Box Voting literally came out in 2003.[1]

Now apparently not only was this election the first not to have been stolen, but it's not even a possibility that something like that could happen. Go figure.

[1] https://blackboxvoting.org/

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#400
I don't like what YouTube is doing.

But...

What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly, ridiculously false), and has millions of people believing his every word - he's personally profiting hugely, while brainwashing them and whipping them up into frenzy. It's fucking dangerous, especially with the US' lax gun laws.

I don't like private companies getting to decide what's truthful and what's not, but it's not like the US government is doing a better job, and is it safe to allow mad conspiracies and obvious lies to become "truth" for so many millions?

I don't think there are any good outcomes here regardless - it's one of those "least worst" choices.

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