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Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by FiberBundle »

ericb wrote: post #380
FiberBundle wrote: post #343

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Thanks for the links. So how do I know these value are abnormally high compared to say a severe flu? I've read in the thread on hn that posted about the mental illness results that the values for a severe flu are 13%. And what implications do, say, a "lower left ventricular ejection fraction, higher left ventricle volumes, and raised native T1 and T2" have? Why is that worse than the risk of potentially (without know…

> Why is that worse than the risk of potentially (without knowing any probabilities obviously) developing autoimmune conditions as a result of taking the vaccine? Well, in the 20,000 dosages in the pfizer vaccines, I believe there was no autoimmune conditions found. I think Moderna was the same. If that's your concern, maybe steer clear of the AstraZeneca/ChAdOx1 vaccine. There are two main components to the vaccine,…

> We're not really comparing flu stats vs. covid stats. I'd argue these things are not good whether they come from a severe flu or covid, so that seems like a red herring?

Do you get a flu vaccine each year?

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Post by joaomacp »

PandawanFr wrote: post #386
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Can I get a link to the Medarxiv paper? Would be an interesting read.

I am guessing this is the one: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.14.20175257v...

From reading the abstract, that study comes to the interesting finding that with a highly effective vaccine, it is better to vaccinate the YOUNG first, to reduce the spread.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by avgDev »

sekai wrote: post #103
gvv wrote: post #29

Well just like I don't immediately update to the latest OS I think I'll wait for the beta testing to happen :)

Few key facts: • In the entire history of vaccines, only one has been recalled because the vaccine itself caused long term side effects (a rotavirus vaccine that had rare complications and no deaths for those under 1yr). If you can't find any papers about it, that's why. It's like finding a paper on death by lava lamp explosions. It's happened ( https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-dec-01-na-brief... .), but…

I'm not an anti-vaxxer in any shape or form but I have found a major flaw in our medical system through my own struggles. I was given a flouroquinolone antibiotic about 8 years ago and it really had a huge negative impact on my health. It resulted in chronic pain and some neurological issues. Neurological issues where instant, but pain took a few months to start. Even though the current research and drug information align with most of my symptoms doctors refuse to even entertain the idea. I have been to Mayo, Rush, Northshore, etc. Out of 40+ doctors one confirmed it and 2nd agrees it is possible.

I have met numerous people over the year receiving diagnosis of fibro, CFS, tendonitis without any reports from doctors to the FDA. Most negative reports are made by patients who researched it. This is extremely dangerous. I have met pharmacist who suffered from the same problems but still their colleagues would label them crazy.

I will let others test the vaccine in the real world before taking it myself.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by ericb »

FiberBundle wrote: post #391
ericb wrote: post #380

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> Why is that worse than the risk of potentially (without knowing any probabilities obviously) developing autoimmune conditions as a result of taking the vaccine? Well, in the 20,000 dosages in the pfizer vaccines, I believe there was no autoimmune conditions found. I think Moderna was the same. If that's your concern, maybe steer clear of the AstraZeneca/ChAdOx1 vaccine. There are two main components to the vaccine,…

> We're not really comparing flu stats vs. covid stats. I'd argue these things are not good whether they come from a severe flu or covid, so that seems like a red herring? Do you get a flu vaccine each year?

Yes. No problems, ever.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by smaddox »

eplanit wrote: post #126
nojito wrote: post #50

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We now know that Covid is not nearly as deadly as was first perceived, and that a relatively narrow band of the population is vulnerable to its worst effects. It's foolish to act as though this is worse than it is.

1917 people died from COVID-19 yesterday in the US, alone. That's a 9/11 of deaths every 36 hours. It might not be as deadly as was first feared, but it is deadly.

Re: Pfizer submits Covid vaccine to FDA for approval, to distribute in December

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Post by Exmoor »

mindcrime wrote: post #42
gvv wrote: post #29

Well just like I don't immediately update to the latest OS I think I'll wait for the beta testing to happen :)

Same. I'm not an anti-vaxxer or anything like that. But I think "don't use version 1.0" advice applies here just like it does for software. Especially given the possibility that things have been "hurried" in the name of expediency in terms of getting the vaccine(s) developed, tested, and approved. The good news, in a sort of perverse sense, is that some delay to see what happens with "early adopters" is kinda inevita…

I wonder if any software product managers ever conceived that in shipping software with known bugs to meet a deadline, they'd somehow be slightly eroding people's faith in vaccination science.

It's kind of wild when you think about it.

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Post by kube-system »

ghaff wrote: post #385
kube-system wrote: post #332

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I expect that state school systems will mostly apply their existing laws for required vaccines. (which is that 4 or 5 of them actually require them, and the rest give religious and/or philosophical exemptions) But for the vast majority of workplaces, there's not much of an existing precedent to do this, and I suspect the vast majority of employers will not want to rock the boat too much. I suspect it'll be something…

>will be "required" by policies but not enforced in practice That would seem to be extremely unethical and possibly at least borderline an OSHA violation. If a workplace is claiming that certain procedures are being followed and they are in fact not being followed, I think plenty of lawyers would be happy to take that lawsuit.

I didn't necessarily mean that they would be breaking procedure -- I think it's more likely that the procedures won't be very rigorous. I doubt that procedures for vaccination will be any more rigorous than the procedures for ensuring compliance with mask wearing.

As far as this being unethical -- maybe it is -- but since when has that stopped anyone? There are people still being forced to go to work sick because they have no way to take sick leave without losing their jobs.

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Post by abfan1127 »

floatingatoll wrote: post #220
abfan1127 wrote: post #215

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how can the long term consequences of the vaccine be better understood than the virus? The vaccine is younger than the virus, and orders of magnitude of more people have had the virus.

mRNA vaccines were understood and studied prior to Covid. Covid infections (still) are not understood.

why do we get to generalize mRNA vaccines, but not SARS-Cov-2? We've known about coronaviruses since the 1960s, we've had MERS, SARS, and other more recent ones.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html

I don't think we have long term information on either SARS-Cov-2 or the vaccine...

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