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McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by XaoDaoCaoCao »

dandare wrote: post #214
markdown wrote: post #141

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What is the appeal of a vegan pizza? Is it even pizza without cheese?

The appeal of vegan pizza is that no animals were industrially farmed to make it. If you think your cheese is suffering free you are lying to yourself.

If you think your life ia suffering free to other beings, your existence is predicated on forms of organization and governance which inflict massive suffering aka the military-industrial-logistics system which ensures the delivery of whatever you need from all corners of the globe.

Move to a remote island if you want to be a saint. But don't posture to be a holy man or even more simply "a better man" by not eating animals and byproducts.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

moab wrote: post #243
coryfklein wrote: post #217

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> you are lying to yourself. Gee well that's a rather bold statement. I find this attitude of "if you're not vegan you're a liar" so insufferable. I can think of at least a few explanations for the parent comment. "If you think your cheese is suffering free..." 1. You may be underinformed 2. You've purchased free range dairy products 3. You know something I don't

Well, if you take the time to learn about dairy farming (even in free range dairy farms), you would quickly find out that cows have a natural lifespan of ~20 years, but cows used in dairy farms have an average lifespan of ~6 years. From the perspective of giving entities that we believe are probably conscious and probably feel suffering and pain a fair chance at life, minimizing the amount of dairy and cheese we cons…

> a fair chance at life

If you eliminate meat and dairy, those animals won’t have any life at all. The only reason they are there is because humans eat them.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by jhardy54 »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #65
amanzi wrote: post #62

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"McPlant" is a fairly horrible sounding burger! Burger King here in NZ have plant-based burgers called the Rebel Whopper which is quite a catchy name. Technically, it can't be classified as vegetarian though, because it's cooked on the same grill as the beef burgers. Not sure if the McPlant will be cooked on different grills or not?

What on earth? Why would that matter? Does somebody lose their vegan powers if a particle of fat gets into their burger?

FWIW I'm "vegan" and I agree that it's silly.

At least for me, the point is that I'll try to make choices that reduce suffering. You can't reduce it to zero, but most animal products can be replaced with a similar alternative with a similar price and less suffering.

Even organizations like PETA recommend against pestering restaurants about small details and trace ingredients, and I couldn't agree more: it makes vegans look nitpicky and rude and makes it harder for most people to want to make baby steps in the direction of reducing animal products.

My advice to new vegans: be easy on yourself and others. I'd rather see ten people who reduce their animal products consumptions by 90% than one extremist who does 99% and alienates everyone else.

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Post by grecy »

thotsBgone wrote: post #344
grecy wrote: post #332

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> Calorie density doesn't make a meal unhealthy Can you list a five things that are calorie dense that are healthy, and five things that are not calorie dense that are unhealthy?

1. Olive oil, red meat, avocado, beans, nuts. 2. There are no unhealthy foods, only unhealthy diets. Even a bowl of ice cream isn't unhealthy if you're getting all your nutrients and not eating too many calories.

on 2. , I think every doctor on the planet would say you should never eat/drink McDonalds, Coca-cola, red bull and other "food that isn't food" items.

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Post by chongli »

ineedasername wrote: post #364
dkersten wrote: post #208

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Most Italian pizza has rather little cheese. I remember watching something once where the chef of a fancy pizzeria said that the most important thing in pizza is the bread: it should taste great without any topping. Then the sauce and finally everything else. I've had a great vegan pizza once and between bread, sauce and toppings, it tasted like great Italian-style pizza. Sure, a sprinkle of cheese would have made it…

Well, there's a wide variety of "American" style. First two main distinctions: NY/NJ style, which is generally the traditional American pizza. 1" crust, a little crispy, thin body, sauce, lots of cheese. This has a few variations though, most notable "thin crust", which is often cracker-thin and very firm & crispy, the body much thinner too. The other main variety is Chicago deep-dish pizza, which is very thick, anyw…

I’d like to chip in with a favourite of mine: Detroit style [1]. A rectangular pizza baked in a greased, shallow pan with cheese that goes all the way to the edge. The bottom comes out golden brown with a fried texture but the base is otherwise very light and fluffy. This gives a crispy/soft/chewy contrast with the sauce/cheese/pepperoni on top. This type of pizza can also handle more sauce and toppings than a New York style without getting soggy. I prefer crispy over soggy any day, and I love toppings.

The cheese around the edges comes in contact with the metal pan and turns brown and crunchy, just like you get when the cheese leaks out into the pan with a grilled cheese sandwich. Amazing pizza!

If you don’t have a rectangular pan you can also make it in a cast iron skillet. Works extremely well!

[1] https://www.seriouseats.com/2017/02/how-to-make-detroit-styl...

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Post by shadykiller »

Plant based isn't always the best option for nutrition and environment. In fact with regenerative agricultural practices, holistic management and grass fed/finished cows, more carbon can be captures in solid than released.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/08/13/746576239/is...

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Post by jeremysalwen »

XaoDaoCaoCao wrote: post #391
dandare wrote: post #214

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The appeal of vegan pizza is that no animals were industrially farmed to make it. If you think your cheese is suffering free you are lying to yourself.

If you think your life ia suffering free to other beings, your existence is predicated on forms of organization and governance which inflict massive suffering aka the military-industrial-logistics system which ensures the delivery of whatever you need from all corners of the globe. Move to a remote island if you want to be a saint. But don't posture to be a holy man or even more simply "a better man" by not eating an…

Since when did making moral decisions become an "all or nothing" affair?

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

3131s wrote: post #374
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #194

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Yeah and I don't like kale in my food. Clearly I'm not wrong, because apparently nobody is. But a busy restaurant is not the place to make a fuss over where a particular dish was cooked. I don't get to insist on a separate pot to make my meal, because it might get polluted by kale. It is wrong, it a real sense, to have unreasonable personal rules about a restaurant kitchen.

> It is wrong, it a real sense, to have unreasonable personal rules about a restaurant kitchen. It's wrong to eat meat.

Says you. Others (by the billions) say otherwise. Raising a stink in a public restaurant makes you look silly. Witness the widespread cultural backlash against it.

This is all obvious and well-known. I know that righteous indignation is a drug, and it shows mostly on the internet, thank goodness. But we should all strive to break the addiction. The world will be a better place.

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Post by _ZeD_ »

thelean12 wrote: post #291
dkersten wrote: post #208

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Most Italian pizza has rather little cheese. I remember watching something once where the chef of a fancy pizzeria said that the most important thing in pizza is the bread: it should taste great without any topping. Then the sauce and finally everything else. I've had a great vegan pizza once and between bread, sauce and toppings, it tasted like great Italian-style pizza. Sure, a sprinkle of cheese would have made it…

I grew up on pizza in the NYC/NJ area. The Italian styles with minimal cheese are a disappointment to me. Many are able to get the crust and sauce perfect, which is no small feat, and then it feels like they just gave up with the cheese. Pizza in NYC usually not only has great crust and sauce, but it also has plenty of cheese. They don't "overload" it like many places outside the area. (I am purposely separating "Piz…

>>> I grew up on pizza in the NYC/NJ area. The Italian styles with minimal cheese are a disappointment to me.

As an Italian the first time I saw a nyc style pizza I found it disgusting

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Post by _ZeD_ »

chris-orgmenta wrote: post #390
hated wrote: post #357

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As far as I am concerned the Neapolitan pizza is the only real pizza. Compare it to the archetypical Dominoes Margherita pizza. American variants of "pizza" definitely deliver melted cheese, tomato sauce, and heated bread in large quantities but the layers of flavor that you find in a faithful reproduction of Neapolitan pizza to the Italian standard are completely missing. One of the first things Americans will notic…

I suppose it's worth noting that the Neapolitan pizza can only have been in existence since 1548 at the earliest, and there are probably more 'real'/traditional pizzas sans tomato

Sorry its hystory it's just shy of 500 years?
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