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EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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#391

How practical is any declaration of law? Wouldn't it be feasible to say, have a video streaming site hide messages it its streams and also in its control data? More sophisticated methods are of course possible. Basically "outlawing encryption means only outlaws have encryption." The only use from any such laws is surveillance of the public at large.

What if people use their own language as a form of encryption?

Like the Navaho 'Windtalkers' code that was unbroken in WWII.

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#392

1. Encrypt message. 2. Break message into 16-bit chunks. 3. Add 0x0F00 to each chunk. Result: you have a message written in Tibetan. What could be more innocent than that? Wait. Does this proposal address unintelligible communication?

Basically a ban on foreign languages...

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In the UK? Voting is a paper tiger for stuff like this. The bill was supported by both Tories and Labour, and I was living in a Tory safe seat. I mean, I could’ve moved to Scotland and supported the SNP bid for independence or Wales and Plaid Cymru (but not NI and Sinn Féin given their policy of not taking their seats), but realistically there was nothing I could do about it other than what I did do about it. https:/…

If you didn't have any luck with the House of Commons, you perhaps should have tried voting for a different member of the House of Lords, or different judges, or a different monarch. Now that the UK has left the EU, you don't have to worry about those institutions being overridden by unelected MEPs.

By the time the next UK general election is scheduled, I rather hope to have replaced my UK citizenship with a German one. (It’s not certain I could do it that fast, but I’m going to try).

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You can look up who won in the last EU election in your country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_European_Parlia... Just drop them a letter or call their office (both works fine).

They are actually quite responsive when ypu write them! While it was not enough in the end to stop it I had a 50% response rate when I wrote to the Czech representatives in the european parliament due to the article 13 last year.

Didn't Article 13 pass?

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If WhatsApp breaks E2E in Europe every other country will jump on the bandwagon.

WhatsApp is hardly safe from prying eyes anyway. Sure, there's always-on E2E encryption that is really well designed. However, WhatsApp constantly prompts every user to back up to the cloud, which is much less well secured. Thus, it's pretty trivial for the authorities to get to it there, I'm sure they can get into iCloud and Google Drive if they want to. It only takes one person in the conversation to have this opti…

Which is to say WhatsApp is perfectly secure as long as the hostile actor cannot access the WhatsApp backups. Only nation state actors might be able to do that.

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These things usually boil down to: You must not do as I do, you must do what I tell you to.

Disclaimer: I've made - very minor - contributions to the 2017 proposal to enforce mandatory E2E encryption (as a technical consultant, I have no political role of any kind) How does that follow? I am as free as anybody else in the EU to use any chat software I want. This is just a proposal and ha no value in itself until it is approved and ratified by the single parliaments in the EU countries. EU is not some tirann…

They literally are proposing to kill the freedom to communicate and you say there is nothing to worry about?

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#397

I want to also give some perspective why this is bad even IF we can make sure that only governments will have the keys. We have just uncovered an organized crime at the top levels in Slovakia where even the President of police is part of it and they influenced many court cases and were accessing secret information and databases on citizens, basically a mafia. And we are part of EU. I don't trust our goverment to use…

Wow that's pretty bad.. Have any decent writeup on it so I can learn more about it?

It's a developing story, I will try to find some got article later. The funny thing is that it all started after one criminal (Marian Kocner) was arrested and his iPhone had the app Threema installed - an E2E encrypted chat. Fortunately for the investigators he had backups enabled and they could access the chat history in plain text. He was in direct contact with government officials including politicians, judges, and so on. And this helped to uncover an even bigger organized group. The whole communication leaked and everyone can read it. You can find passages where he asks to pull specific information from police database. I think maybe 30+ high ranked people are now waiting behind bars for the trial.

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What about proposing encryption as an EU human right? Has that been attempted?

I don't know whether this has been tried before, but it is definitely the right move. The governments should be busy fighting and trying to shut down our proposals and not the other way around.

Without public pressure it is not going to happen. German politicians have been positive towards this move recently (althought without mentioning it is already in progress). Sadly politics think it is the easiest solution to counter torrorism.

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>We live in a dangerous world. No we don't, but that's what the Politicians try to implement in our brains.

We do live in a dangerous world. Pretty much everybody loses their life somehow. It's amazing to me that so many of my peers survived childhood. It is pretty stupid to try to jump a car on your bicycle without a landing ramp. Or play catch with lit M80s. And those weren't our dumbest ideas. When I was a kid every 8-year-old pushed a lawn mower around once a week. And rode in the back of a pickup truck. Today I don't…

>Pretty much everybody loses their life somehow.

Yeah that's called life.

>Today I don't let my kids ride in the back of pickup trucks, and I'm nervous about the lawn mower.

That's because you already infected with fear. It's not your Children's fault that you don't trust them with a lawn mower..it's you and probably your society that is the problem.

>Some dangers and some fears need to be met head on.

Yes like wear a helmet on a Motorbike, but you need to dig much deeper, that a society needs a metal detector in schools.

And again the World IS much safer today...but remember the more you have the more you fear loosing it...it's the perfect setup to give up your freedom because you think you "win" some safety.

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I'm certainly open to changing the URL from what is probably an obscurantist press release to a more accurate and neutral source. But it would need to be in English. Sorry—I realize that's frustrating to anyone who reads both languages, but most HN readers can't. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

You're conflating the language issue with the alleged "obscurantist" issue. In your opinion, since you brought it up, what facts are the original link lying about or hiding?

You misunderstood. They said the current link is possibly obscurantist, not the German one.
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