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Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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It’s scary to see people come to Apple’s defense, and to talk about justifications. Our conversations should be about what is good for the consumer, not what is good for Apple.

Some of the arguments are that Apple’s closed ecosystem allows them to offer better products and security.

I don’t really buy that. If it was true my day job wouldn’t have me so worried about iOS and MacOS security. Exploits wouldn’t be so cheap for iOS right now too..

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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> Apple has removed Epic Games’ battle royale game Fortnite from the App Store after the developer on Thursday implemented its own in-app payment system that bypassed Apple’s standard 30 percent fee

> 1,000 V-bucks, which is roughly equivalent to $10 in-game Fortnite currency, now costs just $7.99 if you use Epic direct payment instead of the standard Apple payment processing. Normally, that amount of currency costs $9.99. Epic says, in this case, customers keep the extra savings, not the company.

Either I can't count or Epic can't.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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I don't think this should be regulated at all. Apple should be able to impose their rules in their systems. Let's be clear about this, if people are choosing to buy these black-box closed handheld computing devices, there are consequences that come with that choice.

I don't agree. Millions (maybe even billions) of people user their devices and the country absolutely should regulate their systems. As an extreme example imagine if Apple tomorrow said that all apps have to pay a 95% cut instead of a 30% cut and all customers have to pay $20/month to use Wifi or internet on their iPhone. Obviously this is unlikely to happen but then I would expect the govt. to intervene. If Apple wa…

>if Apple tomorrow said that all apps have to pay a 95% cut instead of a 30% cut But Apple could easily say "no more 3rd party apps" -- again, equally unlikely given the values those apps bring. But zero 3rd party apps is precisely what the iPod was, no?

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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You could argue about Apple's rights, or citizens' free speech rights, or consumer rights, under existing law. It would be an interesting discussion because I think it's a lot more complicated an issue that most people appreciate. But really why not talk about how we think things should work on platforms like iOS? What should the law be? What protects essential human rights, encourages creativity, and allows business…

Apple could try any amount of tech to lock their devices, but it shouldn't be illegal to break those locks.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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I like the parody, but it's not really equivalent. The original Apple parody was to convince consumers to switch from one platform (PC) to a different platform (Mac). Now, maybe you believe Apple, in the form of iOS, has become Big Brother. Fine, in that case, Epic should provide its own gaming platform. But Epic isn't trying to destroy Big Brother here. It still wants to run on Big Brother's platform. It just doesn'…

Epic stated that they want to create their own separate app store outside of apple, but are unable to because apple does not allow sideloading. So no, Epic doesn't want to run on Big Brother's platform.

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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You could argue about Apple's rights, or citizens' free speech rights, or consumer rights, under existing law. It would be an interesting discussion because I think it's a lot more complicated an issue that most people appreciate. But really why not talk about how we think things should work on platforms like iOS? What should the law be? What protects essential human rights, encourages creativity, and allows business…

Let‘s take the example of an autonomous car. Would you also argue that you have the right to run any software on it? Looking a bit further down the line toward a society with more prevalent and powerful AI there will need to be some kind of certification that the software you are running is safe. It will be almost impossible to enforce this without the help of device manufacturers who will be mandated to only run saf…

> Would you also argue that you have the right to run any software on it?

Duh, yes. It's like asking if i can drive my (human-driven) car anywhere. Just because it's "technology" doesnt mean all human agency goes out the window.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Android's let's you download the app from any website. No questions asked. And the app can charge you without giving Google a single dime. For example I can go to itch.io and download this game directly to my phone: https://majorariatto.itch.io/pureya

Not quite no questions asked - you first need to enable a setting, then get through the warnings. That said, Android comes with an ability to install other _App Stores_

Does that setting also stop you from using some apps? such as banking apps etc. I recall something like that.

(sorry, Apple user here)

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Imagine if Microsoft did this on PCs. a) prohibiting the installation of non-windows store software (sideloading) and b) insisting that all purchases done via apps give them a 30% cut. I think this is a ridiculous practice on the behalf of Apple.

I recently learned Google Chrome does something similar with browser extensions[1]. You cannot[2] install .crx files that have not been published to the Chrome Web Store.

[1] https://blog.chromium.org/2015/05/continuing-to-protect-chro...

[2] Unless you're using Linux or the enterprise version of the browser.

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