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Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by WorldMaker »

bane wrote: post #321
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #307

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I've never seen dress pants with side pockets like this (that is, not cargo pants) for sale at a major retailer. If they really are so common, what are they called and can you point me to an online store selling them?

I believe the pair I had were from Dockers and were called "Dockers Mobile Pocket". More or less like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDAaGSshhhY They were a big enough deal that Time Magazine put them in their "Best inventions of 2001" list: http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,288... In the end, I didn't really care for them and it looks like most people didn't either as they're discontinue…

In jeans they even predate the "mobile pocket" fad, they've been called "carpenter's pockets". It seems somewhat classist to dismiss the innovation simply because it looks like "working construction" and comes from such a blue collar background. (Which makes sense, why wouldn't innovations in functionality over fashion originate in blue collar spaces?)

As a 90s nerd that fell into a habit of carpenter pants when they were briefly cool, but came to respect the "mobile pocket" functionality of having a pocket further down the leg towards the knees. It's really fast/convenient to move things (especially phones) in/out of. It's continued to surprise me how slow it has been to be adapted to other pants. If it takes the "mobile pocket" rebrand, that's fine, but it's still somewhat rude to forget the blue collar roots of the idea.

(It also amuses me that while the article addresses the cargo pants criticism, doesn't seem familiar with either the "mobile pocket" or "carpenter's pocket" name.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpenter_jeans

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by WorldMaker »

jldugger wrote: post #87
jschwartzi wrote: post #14

He’s reinvented the knife pocket in carpenter jeans. There’s also usually a loop nearby for hanging a hammer so you don’t have to walk around with your tool bags.

Pretty much but I should point out that you can’t easily find carpenter pants anymore. And I view the gamer loop as about as useful as the coin pocket: purely decorative in nature.

I've found some coin pockets to be the right size and shape to securely carry a single ID or credit card or hotel room key in times where you don't need or want to carry a full wallet. I've seen coin pockets rebranded "golf pockets" for similar reason that golfers find them useful for scorecards and maybe a pencil.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by aflag »

aahhahahaaa wrote: post #374
elric wrote: post #343

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Not every garment is a fashion statement. Some people dress for practicality, and not to appease others' innane sense of fashion or vanity.

This is like saying "stop making everything political." It's not even possible. Everything is a statement, the lack of intention can be doubly so. There are entire utilitarian schools of thought in fashion just like there is in everything else. Also fashion doesn't exist solely to please others! I wouldn't dismiss an entire massive industry as inane. Vanity is a big part of it like a lot of other things, but if you'r…

Everything can be analysed from a political, fashion or symbolic aspect. However, that analysis is not always insightful or even relevant sometimes. For instance, Lorenz transformation applies to every body in motion, however it's the wrong tool to describe most of the movement we encounter on Earth.

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Post by halostatue »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #390
halostatue wrote: post #388

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> I've had this discussion a number of times, and I guess it really bugs people that not everyone cares obsessively about fashion and outward appearance as they do. If that’s what you got from what I said, then either I’ve failed to make what I’m saying clear or you’ve misinterpreted what I’ve said. I don’t actually care how you dress. As a lot of people are fond of saying—words have meanings. And what _you_ define a…

It feels like you're very bent on casting everything in a vain and appearance-focused light. I'm not sure how much more clear I can make it: none of my clothing choices are based on fashion nor on appearance, other than the basic requirement of actually being dressed and not wearing ragged scraps. My choices are based on practicality. If someone wants to turn that into fashion, they can go right ahead, it won't chang…

Not me, you.

You’re assuming that fashion is vanity.

It isn’t.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by telesilla »

eli wrote: post #297
imglorp wrote: post #268

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> we are all curvy in different ways How hard can it be to 3d scan a person and output a custom fitted garment? Print? Robo sew? Anyway it seems like a bounded engineering problem.

I think this is a startup doing something like that https://redthreadcollection.com/

Thanks, I took a look and I think they have a really good approach.

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by groby_b »

bscphil wrote: post #191
groby_b wrote: post #97

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Can we have opinions on our clothes without having to give every random person on the Internet a full justification? Why yes, yes we can. But, OK, let's answer it. The first answer is right in the fine article: Hip pockets lead to bad posture when sitting. They cause back pain. The second answer is that if you dress for aesthetic instead of functional reasons, one of the very first concerns is silhouette. And if you…

> The second answer is that if you dress for aesthetic instead of functional reasons, one of the very first concerns is silhouette. See, I think you've missed what everyone in this thread is trying to get at. The defense of cargo pants is based on a pretty simple dialectic: · Who determines what is fashionable or "aesthetic"? Mostly, the people who design, sell, and advertise clothes. And also, people who directly pr…

> See, I think you've missed what everyone in this thread is trying to get at.

Not really, no. "Aesthetic" is "concerned with beauty", not necessarily "beautiful". If you do care about beauty, you care about shape, texture, color.

> Who determines what is fashionable or "aesthetic"? These are two different things - the first one emerges as industry consensus, the second is your sense of beauty.

> What metrics do they use to decide what they're going to call fashionable?

Literally, I don't care. At all. The discussion wasn't about fashion. OP asked why people would consider hip pockets ugly. The answer was "people who prioritize beauty over function". There's no "they" who determine beauty. We have our own preferences.

My reply wasn't about fashion. It doesn't mention fashion with a single word. Neither does OP. And so I'm deeply amused to see that you think I didn't read closely enough.

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msla wrote: post #194
groby_b wrote: post #97

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Can we have opinions on our clothes without having to give every random person on the Internet a full justification? Why yes, yes we can. But, OK, let's answer it. The first answer is right in the fine article: Hip pockets lead to bad posture when sitting. They cause back pain. The second answer is that if you dress for aesthetic instead of functional reasons, one of the very first concerns is silhouette. And if you…

> Can we have opinions on our clothes without having to give every random person on the Internet a full justification? Yes, which is why I'm suspicious of people who make dictates and maxims about fashion. My point is that those maxims were created by people who have an obvious incentive to sell you more things, and having you supplement pants with carrying bags would benefit them. We must also take unconscious racis…

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Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by flanbiscuit »

eythian wrote: post #387
flanbiscuit wrote: post #358

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I get Pixel phones to get stock Android and reliable updates and the smallest I can get are ~6 inch phones. If a 5 inch Pixel was released I'd buy it in a heartbeat

Things like the Pixel 3a are ~5.5 inch, which is not 5, but better than the full size ones if you don't want a big one.

I have the Pixel 3a right now. It's a 6" phone with a 5.6" display. I was referring to total phone size. On top of that I add a phone case because I've dropped previous phones and caused (slight) damage so it's an absolute must for me. I use the pixel fabric cases google sells which only increases my dimensions to 6.12 in (155.54 mm) x 2.93 in (74.33 mm)

https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_3a_specs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_3a#Specifications https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_3a_case_fabric

Re: On Trouser Pockets

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Post by samstave »

diiq wrote: post #229
samstave wrote: post #160

What sort of pattern did you start with? Did you DL one, buy one or make your own?

I drafted from scratch; not shown here (for fear of distracting from the pockets) are the high waist, button fly, and swallowtail back that make them deeply unfashionable :) But you could easily add this to almost any pants pattern, so long as the inseam isn't flat-felled.

Can you please share pics / pattern?

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Post by diiq »

samstave wrote: post #399
diiq wrote: post #229

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I drafted from scratch; not shown here (for fear of distracting from the pockets) are the high waist, button fly, and swallowtail back that make them deeply unfashionable :) But you could easily add this to almost any pants pattern, so long as the inseam isn't flat-felled.

Can you please share pics / pattern?

It's a=just a standard welt pocket on an angle. Find a welt pocket tutorial you like and follow it, but on the outseam :)

The only trick is that the inseam has to be open when you add the pocket to the outseam.

I haven't made a paper pattern of it, yet, because I've cut it differently each time. When I settle on a design I will make myself a pattern -- but it'll be pretty specific to me.

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