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Zoom Acknowledges It Suspended Activists' Accounts at China's Request

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Post by Medicalidiot »

crazygringo wrote: post #353
Medicalidiot wrote: post #349

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>Zoom's product development team is largely based in China The main players are under CCP command. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_Video_Communications#Work...

A company's "main players" are its board and senior management. "Under command" means they report to someone. Can you please explain how you think the board members and management of Zoom -- an American publicly traded company -- report to the CCP? Because that is certainly not what your Wikipedia link says.

>A company's "main players" are its board and senior management

Ah I see that we have different definitions of main players. I'm thinking of developers who are able to mess with the code. But the Wikipedia does support what my definition of main players means.

Just because the board doesn't report to CCP doesn't mean that someone significant in the 700 isn't an assent of the CCP and able to do significant damage.

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Post by deathgrips »

monocasa wrote: post #377
deathgrips wrote: post #362

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Julian Assange knew what he was getting in to when he voluntarily got a security clearance, accessed information he wasn't authorized to access, and then leaked that information to the entire planet in violation of his security clearance. The leaks accomplished nothing of concrete positive value. He was perfectly free to leave government work and become a political activist without leaking classified information.

What? Julien Assange never received a clearance, he was simply the publisher.

Oh my bad, I mistook that for Edward Snowden.

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Post by redis_mlc »

crazygringo wrote: post #388
redis_mlc wrote: post #379

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> It's not like they're secretly and nefariously doing the CCP's bidding Yes, Chinese citizens do the bidding of the CCP or they or their families will be disappeared. The courts are not independent of the CCP, so there is no recourse to whatever the CCP demands. Can you explain why you think otherwise? Are you just engaging in false equivalence of Chinese and US governments, or do you have another reason for your de…

What the hell? In no place did I defend the CCP, so please don't put offensive words into my mouth. It's insulting and you should be ashamed of yourself for making false accusations. And you are aware that Zoom's founder, Eric Yuan, is an American citizen? He grew up Chinese, but he acquired American citizenship, and therefore lost his Chinese citizenship. He and his family live in California where they're not going…

> Using Zoom doesn't mean you're supporting China or being spied on by China.

Yes, using Zoom 100% means you're being spied on by China.

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Post by crazygringo »

redis_mlc wrote: post #393
crazygringo wrote: post #388

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What the hell? In no place did I defend the CCP, so please don't put offensive words into my mouth. It's insulting and you should be ashamed of yourself for making false accusations. And you are aware that Zoom's founder, Eric Yuan, is an American citizen? He grew up Chinese, but he acquired American citizenship, and therefore lost his Chinese citizenship. He and his family live in California where they're not going…

> Using Zoom doesn't mean you're supporting China or being spied on by China. Yes, using Zoom 100% means you're being spied on by China.

Your first comment was already flagged by other users.

Why don't you stop making false statements?

Zoom allows you to specifically choose where your servers are located, e.g. to avoid China specifically if you want:

https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2020/04/13/coming-april-18-co...

I don't dispute China might compel Zoom to reveal user activity within the country. But there's no legal mechanism for China to do so for communication that doesn't pass through China. And Zoom's entire business reputation hinges on that.

Please stop spreading disinformation on HN.

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Post by 6AA4FD »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #372
6AA4FD wrote: post #160

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I'm very suspicious of this article. I've watched a decent bit of the interview, and I'm concerned about the lack of verification that she is in fact a UN employee as she claims, and the absence of any incriminating emails she mentions in the interview. Quick edit: It just occurred to me to search for other articles by the whistleblower's name. I still don't see any evidence so I am skeptical, but anyone else reading…

Interesting, I havevn't followed up on it, but the UN recently did come out to deny these claims in a recent press conference, which didn't deny she was an employee there. But you're right details are not easy to self-verify; but given what the CCP has done and continue to do with the WHO is it really all that far-fetched to see they paid off a bunch if UN members to pass them information. Consider how the US needed…

You're right, and that detail about the UN not denying it (but her claims) makes me a lot less skeptical. Either way I'm very skeptical of the Chinese government w/r/t human rights and I appreciate you drawing attention to it.

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Post by genoapol »

alisonatwork wrote: post #132
joyfulmantis wrote: post #70

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As an american you don't have the right while in mainland china to criticize the CCP. While there is no simple way to apply sovereignty to the internet, the decision to follow the laws of the participants countries seems relatively reasonable.

The interesting thing about this is that it's asymmetric. If you are a Chinese citizen you can be arrested for sharing content the Party objects to, even if you were overseas when you did it[1]. You do not even have to be inside China or a Chinese citizen, the authorities may still kidnap and imprison you for exercising your right to free speech in jurisdictions where it is not restricted[2]. So it seems like it does…

Assange is an Australian citizen and everything you said China does to its citizens s, the US did to Assange.

It seems if Assange leaked Chinese government info, as a non-Chinese citizen, he wouldnt be in jail right now.

A great feature of Americans looking at China, is they gain an awareness of how the rest of the world views the US in its many areas of overreach.

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Post by theferalrobot »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #378
theferalrobot wrote: post #370

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You are referring to things that were agreed to in international treaties and trade negotiations - again these sorts of things are super common

No, I'm referring to unilateral measures the US takes to force countries that do not themselves have sanctions against Iran and Cubs to stop trading with those countries. These secondary sanctions are not based on international treaties and trade negotiations. They're based on levers of power that the US possesses and exploits, much to the chagrin of foreign countries. They are also not common. There's no other count…

> These secondary sanctions are not based on international treaties and trade negotiations

You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about - these things don’t just happen overnight cause the US says so.

Sanctions in this case have been discussed and formalized by multiple groups and organizations including OECD, FATF and the UN Security Council.

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