How to Make this Moment the Turning Point for Real Change

Post by throwaway894345 » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:13 AM UTC

fzeroracer wrote: post #316

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #267

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> Racist violence is political violence. It is agents of the state enforcing a racial order which is inextricable from (and perpetuated by) the politics of the state. Boloney. It is individuals, even if in positions of authority (and even if far too many of them), carrying out their own warped agenda, not that of the state. > Okay, but then people are more likely to be killed by a police officer than by arson. So why…

Even if you oppose both for the same reason, you should be able to recognize that they are not, in fact, the same. You're ignoring the power dynamics at play here which makes violence and excessive force by police officers far worse than arson by the rioters. If you equate all violence as being the same, then you're saying that the violence committed by the oppressed is the same as the violence committed by the oppre…

Post by arpa » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:24 AM UTC

arpa wrote: post #28

mmastrac wrote: post #22

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I cannot condone violence nor encourage it, but you have to admit that the first few protests and property damage drastically influenced the quick arrest of an officer that may not have been arrested or even fired if it didn't happen. The non-violent protests of Colin Kaepernick were mocked and used to rally the other side and just weren't effective. The problem here is not the violence, but a policing system that is…

"See, people with power understand exactly one thing: violence." - Noam Chomsky.

Post by shard972 » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 6:05 AM UTC

dthul wrote: post #154

hkai wrote: post #137

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> police kill members of their community at random. I understand your emotion, but saying that the police walks in the street killing random black people is also unproductive. You can imagine folks on the right showcasing your post as an example of the "loony left", then starting a discussion about the fact that more whites are killed by police, and so on. Each time that happens, you lose a tiny bit of support, and t…

> saying that the police walks in the street killing random black people is also unproductive It's unfortunately true though. We have seen countless examples in the last few years alone where the victim was murdered by a cop. And those are only the ones that were recorded and managed to go viral.

Post by pluto9 » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 6:18 AM UTC

localhost3000 wrote: post #239

kajumix wrote: post #35

"I’ve heard some suggest that the recurrent problem of racial bias in our criminal justice system proves that only protests and direct action can bring about change, and that voting and participation in electoral politics is a waste of time. I couldn’t disagree more. The point of protest is to raise public awareness... But eventually, aspirations have to be translated into specific laws and institutional practices —…

did you just "actually" Barack Obama on how change happens in a democracy?

Post by weaksauce » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 6:56 AM UTC

nyhc99 wrote: post #352

tareqak wrote: post #331

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I personally think body camera footage should be public. I would even go as far to say security cameras owned by public institutions should also be public. I think the answer to “who watchers the watchers?” should be a group of trustworthy people beyond reproach, but the absence of such a group necessitates that this responsibility fall upon the public at large [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ip…

I don't know about you, but I don't really want my various encounters with the police to be broadcast to the public. They would need to algorithmically blur out all of our faces or something in order to make that palatable.