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Re: Shopify Goes Digital by Default

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Post by blunte »

PopeDotNinja wrote: post #159
cletus wrote: post #141

So I've now been WFH for 2 months and honestly I hate it. Work was already flexible enough such that if you wanted to WFH you could. By convention, people would most often WFH on Wednesdays. I liked this timing of people doing it at the same time. But communication and collaboration is just much harder work remote and you can't change my mind. I'm sure you can work hard to make it almost as good but it's never going…

I loved work from home until I wasn't allowed to outside for almost 2 months. Then I felt like a caged animal. Going outside is my offset to work.

Not being able to go outside has nothing to do with WFH.

Re: Shopify Goes Digital by Default

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

addicted44 wrote: post #386
fourmyle wrote: post #137

People are going to change their tune once the paycuts start coming. There is no reason to pay SF money to someone living in the Midwest. $80k a year is comfortable most places. I hope remote first people like the suburbs and country because there is no reason to live in the city with no office. The real truth though is most people are far less productive remote because it requires proactive communication and self di…

Once you're working remote why pay someone 80k a year to live in the Midwest. Why not pay them 40k a year to live in India instead?

Because timezones add massive amounts of friction.

Re: Shopify Goes Digital by Default

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

Apocryphon wrote: post #353
mokash wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a practical level, I agree, working from home is better in many ways. However, you can't forget to think about this on a human level. We are social animals after all. You may not agree but I feel that so much human interaction is non-verbal and it is very difficult to replicate this very natural form of communication over video link. Meetings are great but so many great ideas and initiatives (valuable to your empl…

> You may not agree but I feel that so much human interaction is non-verbal and it is very difficult to replicate this very natural form of communication over video link. Maybe this will be the killer app that VR/AR was waiting for. Not entertainment, but enterprise.

I'm hopeful for enterprise VR, but timezones are a harsh mistress.

Re: Shopify Goes Digital by Default

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Post by nucleardog »

CPLX wrote: post #176
r00fus wrote: post #165

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> Many people who work at these companies live in big cities where they don't have huge amounts of space and it's not conducive to being productivity, particularly if you live with other people, if you can't get some form of separation. Could this be the tipping point to a sustained exodus from an urban kind of lifestyle? (spoken as someone who likes/values density)

The idea that this will result in an exodus from urban areas presupposes that jobs are the reason people moved to the urban areas, rather than social, leisure, or cultural reasons. That's highly arguable. Young people like cities, that's where the girls and the parties are. That's been true for a really long time.

Even if there's no exodus, it would still relieve some pressure on those urban areas.

Instead of having to pay exorbitant prices in an extremely in-demand real estate market, people like me could move a little further out and still have reasonable access to those social, leisure, or other opportunities with slightly more time invested without requiring spending 5 hours a day commuting.

Spending 2-3 hours in transit one way to get to work is not reasonable. Spending 2-3 hours in transit to spend the day in the city on the weekend is a little more palatable.

Re: Shopify Goes Digital by Default

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Post by [deleted] »

chpmrc wrote: post #327
cletus wrote: post #141

So I've now been WFH for 2 months and honestly I hate it. Work was already flexible enough such that if you wanted to WFH you could. By convention, people would most often WFH on Wednesdays. I liked this timing of people doing it at the same time. But communication and collaboration is just much harder work remote and you can't change my mind. I'm sure you can work hard to make it almost as good but it's never going…

> and you can't change my mind. Welp, why bother commenting then? Also half remote half in office doesn't work. I've been working for all remote companies for the past 4 years and (asynchronous) communication has always been great. It's "just" a mindset shift. You say we're naive for thinking this is a revolution. I'd say naive is the one evaluating the viability of remote work by looking at an incredibly noisy datas…

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Re: Shopify Goes Digital by Default

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Post by rglullis »

stetrain wrote: post #385
rglullis wrote: post #314

Is it going to be a thing on HN now where the top thread for every announcement of a company embracing Remote Work will be from someone complaining about not liking Work-From-Home and 50+ replies discussing about "WFH vs office" or discussing their own personal preferences? I am starting to be astonished by the amount of supposedly-intelligent people who are completely missing the forest for the trees. What we are wi…

"My company had to move to full remote during a self-isolation pandemic situation for the last two months, where I couldn't even go sit in a coffee shop when I wanted to. Here are my new thoughts on the future of working from home...."

I get the sarcasm, but I do not get the point you are trying to make. Care to elaborate?

Re: Shopify Goes Digital by Default

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

wnzl wrote: post #179

Even tho all those companies are shifting to perma WFH, still it's utterly impossible to be considered if you work from Europe, relocation must happen anyway. Wondering if this will change at some point as well :)

Timezones make this hard, rather than anything else.

Have you considered Stripe? They have been hiring remote and have people based out of Europe.

Re: Shopify Goes Digital by Default

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Post by chrisseaton »

addicted44 wrote: post #389
enumjorge wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people like living in big cities, and are ok trading off a bigger living space to make that happen. I love being able to walk out to a bunch of different restaurants, having easy access to entertainment venues, etc. The idea of having a giant house in the middle of nowhere has very little appeal to me. This is especially common for younger people and those with no kids.

I suspect if WFH becomes the norm, then people will flock to big cities even more, because suddenly you live in a massive suburban house but can go days without ever seeing a new face. At least when you had a central office there was a place where you would meet some people and be in the middle of some sort of hustle and bustle. Big cities might become even more attractive in a WFH future .

Don't you have towns and villages? Like a sub-urban area but only a few miles across and then you have shops and community in the middle within a walkable distance? I live in a town and I work from home but there's a coffee shop, a sandwich bar, a pub, a little club, a theatre, a gym, and I meet people from the community here. I'm married but I'm sure people date here as well. I thought 'small town America' was a big part of the culture?

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Post by jonny_eh »

fourmyle wrote: post #316
jonny_eh wrote: post #310

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> there is no reason to live in the city with no office Then why do so many Google/Facebook/Apple employees live in SF and commute for over an hour to the suburbs?

Because they get paid $300k/year.

They don't get paid more to live farther from work.

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Post by mawif »

blunte wrote: post #391
PopeDotNinja wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I loved work from home until I wasn't allowed to outside for almost 2 months. Then I felt like a caged animal. Going outside is my offset to work.

Not being able to go outside has nothing to do with WFH.

It has quite a lot to do with many people's first experience of prolonged WFH, though.
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