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Disabling Snaps in Ubuntu 20.04

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Re: Disabling Snaps in Ubuntu 20.04

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Happy Arch and AUR user chiming in, a custody, or emigrant, from the F snap hell Ubuntu caused, and it's easy to verify and vet AUR content, if you care enough, the scripts are legible, readable, so it's just a matter of caring about your system. I agree, I am so happy about the Arch system since Ubuntu bit, ate wholehartedly, the snap bullshit. Thank fuck for AUR.

Thank fuck for the Arch Wiki, too - even if you’re not on Arch.

Upboated and agreed. ++

Re: Disabling Snaps in Ubuntu 20.04

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To me is seems as though Snap is playing a similar part as Unity did in Ubuntu. It's Canonical suffering from NIH.

Flatpak exists and works. The application I'm working on is distributed on Flathub, and I don't have the time nor the interest to learn yet another packaging system.

Ubuntu would do well trying to not just lead (which they do in some aspects, I'm sure) but also try to follow when it's more appropriate. The push towards Unity and now Snap just causes more fragmentation in the Linux community.

Re: Disabling Snaps in Ubuntu 20.04

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> I guess users have been sufficiently beaten into submission that many of them will put up with software randomly quitting on them A cultural acceptance of WIP software seems common, in free software communities, in my experience.

> A cultural acceptance of WIP software seems common, in free software communities, in my experience. On the one hand, yeah it's harder to complain when something is only built in someone's spare time for free. On the other hand... is non-FOSS really any better? Has Windows yet managed to re-merge the old and new control panels?

The rumour is that the old control panel will be removed in the next version of Windows 10, so I'd hope so?

Re: Disabling Snaps in Ubuntu 20.04

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> Half of the utilities I install out of the box on a fresh macOS are built in, and the annoying stuff that used to be editing arcane files is now easy preference settings That's been the case with KDE for 15-20 years now. KDE 3.5 was a great environment (and Trinity (TDE) is a modernized fork of it). Note that, this year, KDE added telemetry to their Plasma desktop environment. Of course, it's opt-in, so it must be…

Do you happen to have links?

It appears to be this: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/f7ojg9/kde_plasma_kuse...

It sounds a bit hyperbolic, but I can't recall a time when telemetry was added to a system and then later dialed back in any way. It always increases.

Re: Disabling Snaps in Ubuntu 20.04

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Debian is a bad choice if you want to package go applications (or rust apps, for that matter). Debian requires that all those little static dependencies be individually packaged. Common container software like lxd, podman, and umoci are not found in Debian. The following distributions package LXD (that I know of): * Void Linux * Alpine Linux * Arch Linux * Gentoo Some of those are more suitable for production install…

Podman is in the NEW queue, and debs can be built from the packaging repo in the meantime., FYI.

Thanks for the info! Good to hear.

Re: Disabling Snaps in Ubuntu 20.04

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Thanks for letting me know. It looks like the telemetry (kuserfeedback) isn’t even a dep of the Gentoo plasma-meta metapackage, so I don’t think it was even built on my system (but will double check when not on mobile). If I dabble with debian or kubuntu I will make sure to mitigate it, thank you for making it known, keep up this kind of good work! It’s a real shame that they found it necessary to even build a teleme…

The grandparent is overreacting. 1. KDE's telemetry is opt-in (as you mentioned) 2. All data is anonymized 3. You can select which information you're comfortable to share 4. If you have it turned off, the data is recorded on your hard disk. 5. That data was always recorded in order to enable other features like "Recently used documents". Here's some explanation: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/fmgyy9/kuserfeedb…

Are you able to address this point that comment made?

> users who objected to the telemetry found bugs that caused data to be recorded even when disabled.

> KDE's response was to ban said users from reddit.com/r/kde and call them "paranoid schizos."

Re: Disabling Snaps in Ubuntu 20.04

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> You could equally say that all the hard work to make a viable OS is done by Linux, so screw Debian? No, you couldn't say that. Without toolchains, userlands, and packaging, a kernel is pretty worthless. The barest bones you can go is still gcc, linux, uclibc, and busybox. There is more code that goes into a computer running linux, then there is in the linux kernel. By a wide margin.

If it had to be done, GNU programs could all be replaced. Port BSD tools or improve busybox tools, use KDE instead of Gnome, and there is a variety of great packaging solutions that aren’t .deb. AFAIK GCC is already being replaced by clang due to the GCC codebase, amongst other reasons. Distros mostly use GNU programs for historical convenience. Given incentive, GNU could be dropped by Ubuntu for the desktop. The mos…

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Re: Disabling Snaps in Ubuntu 20.04

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> You could equally say that all the hard work to make a viable OS is done by Linux, so screw Debian? No, you couldn't say that. Without toolchains, userlands, and packaging, a kernel is pretty worthless. The barest bones you can go is still gcc, linux, uclibc, and busybox. There is more code that goes into a computer running linux, then there is in the linux kernel. By a wide margin.

If it had to be done, GNU programs could all be replaced. Port BSD tools or improve busybox tools, use KDE instead of Gnome, and there is a variety of great packaging solutions that aren’t .deb. AFAIK GCC is already being replaced by clang due to the GCC codebase, amongst other reasons. Distros mostly use GNU programs for historical convenience. Given incentive, GNU could be dropped by Ubuntu for the desktop. The mos…

Replacing GNU has already been done, but that isn’t the point. The point is that without projects like Debian, there is no operating system.

FWIW the whole GNU/Linux pedantry bothers me too.

Re: Disabling Snaps in Ubuntu 20.04

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Those people can choose another DE with legacy features like desktop icons. Tradition isn't a reason to keep up bad habits and I'm thankful to Gnome for daring to take tough decisions for the greater good. I wouldn't use any other DE, at this point.KDE has always been cluttered and XFCE is buggy and not particularly intuitive.

There was a very good post here in Hacker News explaining why the decisions that GNOME (and others as well) have taken are bad: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22901541

Yes I saw this the other day. The post is incorrect in several ways but there are some valid opinions in there that I agree with too.

Nothing as big as a DE is perfect, thankfully it's broadly moving in the right direction.

Re: Disabling Snaps in Ubuntu 20.04

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The grandparent is overreacting. 1. KDE's telemetry is opt-in (as you mentioned) 2. All data is anonymized 3. You can select which information you're comfortable to share 4. If you have it turned off, the data is recorded on your hard disk. 5. That data was always recorded in order to enable other features like "Recently used documents". Here's some explanation: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/fmgyy9/kuserfeedb…

Are you able to address this point that comment made? > users who objected to the telemetry found bugs that caused data to be recorded even when disabled. > KDE's response was to ban said users from reddit.com/r/kde and call them "paranoid schizos."

The recording is local, on the hard disk. I think people are worried that by producing the files, there is just one layer of bug (accidental upload) keeping them private.

I agree. The data should not even be generated if the analytics are not opted-in-to.

I do give them credit for making the system opt-in. They deserve that.

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