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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by vr46 »

jacobolus wrote: post #191
inferiorhuman wrote: post #65

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Ugh. I despise the "magic" keyboard as there's way too little travel. I always found the whole thing a bit physically painful. It's never going to happen but I'd love to see a return of the Aluminum / Titanium PowerBook keyboard.

Those were great, but having slightly sculpted keytops and longer travel takes an extra 2–3 millimeters of vertical space, which isn’t going to cut it if the #1 goal is for the folded up machine to be as thin as possible. Personally I wish sommeone went back to the keyboards used on IBM 5140 or IBM P70. Probably not too likely though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_Convertible https://deskthority.net/wiki/IBM_P…

Is it possible to remove the glossy screen cover to get that extra space? My 2010 mac was the last with a matt screen and had "plenty" of space available.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by bluedino »

nikanj wrote: post #186
tolmasky wrote: post #165

I went with my gf to take a look at these last night at the Apple store. Her command key has completely stopped working on her 2018 MacBook that otherwise works perfectly fine. It feels clumsily large, especially since we’re coming from MacBook 13s. She kept asking me if I’d heard any rumors about when new 13s would come out. She went in pretty determined to get a new machine but decided to wait. The struggle continu…

A few blasts of compressed air very likely will fix the keyboard. We have cans of it spread throughout the office, because it took Apple three laptop generations to admit to their faults

Those don't fix weakened butterfly assemblies

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by lonelappde »

gwd wrote: post #364
w0utert wrote: post #348

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Not trying to be cynical here because I also would prefer a MBP that was more serviceable/repairable, but all these discussions about how repairability impacts the environmental cost of these devices are IMO extremely contrived. How many (in percentage terms) of laptops will ever need repairs, how many of those will actually be repaired (as opposed to consumers just deciding to buy something new, even if repair would…

> How many (in percentage terms) of laptops will ever need repairs, how many of those will actually be repaired (as opposed to consumers just deciding to buy something new, even if repair would be relatively easy and cheap) Whether end-users try to repair their laptops depends in part on their expectations; and their expectations depend a lot on how repair-able laptops are in general. My second-to-last laptop, a Dell…

On average, a sealed no-moving-parts laptop like the MacBook(Pro/Air) line lasts 10 years due to resistance to the elements, excellent thermals/fans, and forward-looking connectivity compatibility. Every day people buy 2011 Macs online for the same $400 price as new non-Macs with similar specs.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by bluedino »

alberth wrote: post #75
karmelapple wrote: post #66

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I enjoy the butterfly keyboard, but once the keys started putting two spaces in when I said one, or putting two of other letters, or none of yet other letters, it got old really fast. Still like my keyboard, and would be happy to have it back if Apple fixed the reliability issues. FWIW, I like the iPad keyboard feel, too.

FYI - as a hack ... you can turn off double spaces in the macOS. https://howchoo.com/g/njiwm2flndj/disable-double-space-bar-p...

This does nothing for the keypresses that don't register at all

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by lonelappde »

abrugsch wrote: post #372
w0utert wrote: post #348

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Not trying to be cynical here because I also would prefer a MBP that was more serviceable/repairable, but all these discussions about how repairability impacts the environmental cost of these devices are IMO extremely contrived. How many (in percentage terms) of laptops will ever need repairs, how many of those will actually be repaired (as opposed to consumers just deciding to buy something new, even if repair would…

Laptops that are decided by their owners are beyond economic repair when something fails don't just get whisked away to landfill, but actually (in many geographic locations) go through actual computer recycling centres, where they are triaged, repaired where possible and re-used in lower socio-economic areas such as low income area training projects etc. Often people "throw away" a laptop just because it's "slow" whi…

That reuse used to be through but nowadays we are absolutely drowning in computing hardware. Look at all the dealers in old used business computers, selling $200 machines. That's paying for the time of the person turning over the machine, with no premium for scarcity. Shipping and handling costs more than the non-consumable portion of old computer hardware.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by mscasts »

sbuk wrote: post #365
mscasts wrote: post #329

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Please stop with the apologetic fanboy rhethoric. It's not helping. I have thrown away several macbooks and I know several people that has too. I used to have Macbooks, I upgraded them with new disks and memory. Today that would not have been possible which is one big reason I would never buy a macbook to begin with. This behavior is bad for all consumers of their products and should not be defended with anecdotal st…

“Fanboy rhetoric”? How does this add to the conversation? Anecdotally (which is all your point boils down to) I know that businesses rarely upgrade machines. Home users rarely do either. Gamers and enthusiasts are the people that tend repair or upgrade. These people are a vanishingly small number. I have no problem with Apple, or anyone else, replacing broken or damaged items with new/refurbished ones, so long as the…

The only reason I added an anecdote was because the entirety of your argument was anecdotal. How you can't see the irony here is beyond me.

> I’ve never known anyone to throw away a Mac

I'm just telling you that there are people who do that. What are your sources for that business don't upgrade machines? In my experience, business are often the kind of places that actually do upgrade their machines but of course not if it is macs since they cannot be upgraded.

I have never said anything negative about their recycling program. But it still is more resource heavy and more polluting than simply continued use of a product when you upgrade parts.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by rplnt »

grecy wrote: post #188
tolmasky wrote: post #165

I went with my gf to take a look at these last night at the Apple store. Her command key has completely stopped working on her 2018 MacBook that otherwise works perfectly fine. It feels clumsily large, especially since we’re coming from MacBook 13s. She kept asking me if I’d heard any rumors about when new 13s would come out. She went in pretty determined to get a new machine but decided to wait. The struggle continu…

I recently bought a used 2015 13inch MPB. Extremely happy.

I have 2017 13" and am quite happy as well. Hardware wise, only bigger downside is the cooling. The laptop can't do much work otherwise it starts to get really noisy and then slow after a while. Overall the worst part is definitely the crappy OS. Not that there is any really good one out there.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by lonelappde »

sbuk wrote: post #365
mscasts wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please stop with the apologetic fanboy rhethoric. It's not helping. I have thrown away several macbooks and I know several people that has too. I used to have Macbooks, I upgraded them with new disks and memory. Today that would not have been possible which is one big reason I would never buy a macbook to begin with. This behavior is bad for all consumers of their products and should not be defended with anecdotal st…

“Fanboy rhetoric”? How does this add to the conversation? Anecdotally (which is all your point boils down to) I know that businesses rarely upgrade machines. Home users rarely do either. Gamers and enthusiasts are the people that tend repair or upgrade. These people are a vanishingly small number. I have no problem with Apple, or anyone else, replacing broken or damaged items with new/refurbished ones, so long as the…

My car dealer offers free recycling too. They even pay me for it. Of course Apple wants people to remove competing used hardware from the market, to remove alternatives to it's high margin new manufacturing. The "recycling" part is a side note.
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