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Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by neop1x »

chisleu wrote: post #194

I moved my private server email to gsuite and this problem went away entirely. Running your own mail server is very dangerous. I don't recommend it.

Thanks, that means you support these practices and you like that only way to prevent your mail to go to the spam folder is to actually pay for their services and send email only through them. Soon we will have to confirm our identity and pay google in order to use the internet as a whole, otherwise all recaptchas will fail. It will soon become survailance like in China just controlled by monopolies (tight to the government anyway). :)

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by tracker1 »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #215
dageshi wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is essentially HN with every single Google related post nowadays. Good or bad, people hate Google, they hate it the way they used to hate Microsoft, they see everything it does as being nefarious. People ignore the email spammers, SEO spammers, automated password crackers and blame google for the solutions they put in place to combat those things. It's impossible to reason with them, honestly I think it's just b…

I am not an email spammer, an SEO spammer, an automated password cracker, or a jaded failed Google canidate. I have my mailserver configured in pretty much an optimal way, with all the special bells and whistles, have never sent spam, and never will. Gmail refuses to deliver my mail, so please don't lump me in with malicious people and then say my concerns should just be ignored.

Have you considered using a full TLD and hosting and/or relaying through a reputable service. I've used mailgun and sendgrid both for moderate accounts for outbound email and didn't have any issues. There's also hosting options for mail ranging from fastmail, to google, MS and others.

In the end, TFA is from a subdomain that seems to have a lot of spam, and to avoid it may mean using A commercial option, if not a specific commercial option. It sucks.. but the mail relays I mention above are relatively cheap and easy to properly setup with limited issues on the other side.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by tracker1 »

aschismatic wrote: post #331
LeonM wrote: post #259

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Judging by your username I don't expect you to share the domain name here, but if you need a second opinion, send me a PM and I'll analyse the domain for you. There is usually some misconfiguration somewhere that goes overlooked. Happens to the best of us :-)

I've thought about setting up a mail server on a DigitalOcean or Vultr VPS without any experience with mail servers (for person use). Whenever I read opinions about operating a private mail server, there's usually a few people that express great satisfaction in doing so, and say that it's not too difficult. However, there are also many more people that say it's not worth the effort since there's maintenance to consid…

I ran my own for a number of years... it was a pain in the ass and took too much time for what it is/was worth. I'm a frugal man, but it's just not worth it to me. I now have several relays pointing to my gmail and/or a custom outlook.com domain (grandfathered free account). I've thought about putting something up, but it's a headache and a half.

For delivery, if you are really just using it for personal use a mailgun or sendgrid account can allow you to handle most delivery issues, while still handling inbound.

Which still leaves the other side, actually dealing with inbound mail issues which is just painful with either too much or too little filtering. The likes of google and MS have teams of brilliant people to handle dealing with spam, and despite some little guys caught in the middle, is still far better than I could ever do on my own.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by tracker1 »

cnst wrote: post #342
Twisell wrote: post #140

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I don't think OP stop replying, he seems pretty active on another thread of the same mailing list concerning another big player (MSFT) filtering out some messages for some reasons. https://www.mail-archive.com/mailop@mailop.org/msg09066.html As a hobbit* , I'm actually pretty happy this whole conversation is starting to gain more traction. My domain is always green on every test I could run (mailtester.com & all) yet…

> I'm actually pretty happy this whole conversation is starting to gain more traction. This exactly. I've been a Gmail user since the day when they've required an invitation in order to signup, and I'm not quite a Google hater, either, but it's extremely disappointing to see the number of people who simply defend Google against the wrongdoing irrespective of whether or not the complainant has a valid complaint, like…

Oh, I do think that Google is absolutely more aggressive than they probably should be on filtering... On the flip side, there's very little other choice. The VAST majority of email comes from a handful of hosts/providers and everything else has a much higher noise to signal ratio and gets much more scrutinized period.

Also, if you aren't sending a lot of mail, consider relaying outbound through mailgun or a similar service (I used to use sendgrid myself). Nearly zero issues when doing this on the lowest level paid account. That said, inbound spam was so painful to deal with I just gave it all up.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by tracker1 »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #218
guizb wrote: post #119

The email landscape is substantially more complex now than it was three decades ago. The poster seems to be frustrated that he is mostly getting technical explanations to his rather emotionally fueled question. He is literally phishing for an argument on the morals of a big company deciding he is a potential spammer without absolute proof. He made it clear that his opinion is that there should be a system in place at…

> He made it clear that his opinion is that there should be a system in place at Google that he can petition for his reputation The common thread among many of the bad-Google stories I've seen in the last 10 years is that Google has made a deliberate decision to not give two shits if they accidentally hurt a small minority of their users. People get messages out of the blue that essentially say "We've just wiped out…

No idea how well it is or isn't correlated, but a note on twitter tagging the appropriate dept at google usually sees the issue fixed within two days, though no actual feedback and likely coincidence.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by throwaway2048 »

tracker1 wrote: post #392
throwaway2048 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not an email spammer, an SEO spammer, an automated password cracker, or a jaded failed Google canidate. I have my mailserver configured in pretty much an optimal way, with all the special bells and whistles, have never sent spam, and never will. Gmail refuses to deliver my mail, so please don't lump me in with malicious people and then say my concerns should just be ignored.

Have you considered using a full TLD and hosting and/or relaying through a reputable service. I've used mailgun and sendgrid both for moderate accounts for outbound email and didn't have any issues. There's also hosting options for mail ranging from fastmail, to google, MS and others. In the end, TFA is from a subdomain that seems to have a lot of spam, and to avoid it may mean using A commercial option, if not a spe…

I am not interested in a third party handling mail for me.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by xxs »

seventhtiger wrote: post #389
loup-vaillant wrote: post #335

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> (edit adding "?hl=en" to the url tends to fix the issue in most of google services) Seriously, you shouldn't have to. Your browser sends language preferences, doesn't it? Nope, IP trumps user preferences. Had the same problem when using my job's VPN with an exit point in Germany (working from France). Very annoying.

Google also forces certain countries to use Hijri calendar with no option to switch to Gregorian. Even if your language is English and your calendar is Gregorian, it will still display news dated in Hijri. No setting or option to change.

Ok, that's cruel

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by krageon »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #215
dageshi wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is essentially HN with every single Google related post nowadays. Good or bad, people hate Google, they hate it the way they used to hate Microsoft, they see everything it does as being nefarious. People ignore the email spammers, SEO spammers, automated password crackers and blame google for the solutions they put in place to combat those things. It's impossible to reason with them, honestly I think it's just b…

I am not an email spammer, an SEO spammer, an automated password cracker, or a jaded failed Google canidate. I have my mailserver configured in pretty much an optimal way, with all the special bells and whistles, have never sent spam, and never will. Gmail refuses to deliver my mail, so please don't lump me in with malicious people and then say my concerns should just be ignored.

If you were doing everything right it would work, unless you sent email from an IP known to send spam in the past. That doesn't necessarily mean you did, but it does mean your IP did at some point. Given the saturation of the ipv4 space this isn't exceptionally unlikely. In any case, your post is contrarian and doesn't offer any substance aside from the fact that you are angry. That's kind of saddening because that was already pointed out as exactly the problem.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

Avamander wrote: post #383
baobabKoodaa wrote: post #379

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There's plenty of low effort ways you could provide proof while maintaining relative anonymity (if you actually wanted to support your claims with evidence). For example, you can run a GlockApps test (5 minutes, free) and then take a screenshot of the results with identifying information blanked out.

Because OP talked about Google not allowing small players to send e-mail here's my server's deliverability results to Google: https://i.imgur.com/sceZogI.png If you're wondering about the blacklist number, that's an error - the source site claims it knows nothing.

Thanks for posting this!

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by aschismatic »

tracker1 wrote: post #393
aschismatic wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've thought about setting up a mail server on a DigitalOcean or Vultr VPS without any experience with mail servers (for person use). Whenever I read opinions about operating a private mail server, there's usually a few people that express great satisfaction in doing so, and say that it's not too difficult. However, there are also many more people that say it's not worth the effort since there's maintenance to consid…

I ran my own for a number of years... it was a pain in the ass and took too much time for what it is/was worth. I'm a frugal man, but it's just not worth it to me. I now have several relays pointing to my gmail and/or a custom outlook.com domain (grandfathered free account). I've thought about putting something up, but it's a headache and a half. For delivery, if you are really just using it for personal use a mailgu…

Thanks for your take on it. I'm fairly new to the world of programming, development, Linux, etc., so I'm always looking to learn things and make something of my own. A mail server sounds very neat in that regard, like building your first computer, but it sounds like in reality it's best left to the experts. I currently have a G Suite account for my custom domain, so that's probably good enough.
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