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Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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FTA They have not removed it, it just is not visible by default if you are connected to the internet. So it’s just a UI issue

> So it’s just a UI issue

The same way implicitly-ticked "I agree to receive spam^H^H^H^H your newsletters every week" are "just a UI issue".

Yes, it's implemented through an UI element, like most computer-related things today, but let's not pretend it's not a dubious move that's done for the benefit of anyone except the people who paid for the damn thing.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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> I don't want to cut my nose off to spite my face I have trouble understanding this perspective since it's hard to see what critical functionality Windows provides, that you can't get with Mac OS or Linux. If they wouldn't be materially different experiences, the metaphor doesn't hold water.

I can't run NVidia on Macs (Ok, some Mac true believer will tell me I can get an PCI-X external cage and run it over thunderbolt with crazy drivers) and I can't run Adobe Premiere, After Effects, Audition, etc, on a Linux machine.

It's one reason I gave up having a MacBook Pro, the hardware is underwhelming in so many ways.

But my Mac Pro from 2010 still gets nvidia driver updates and cuda support. In the unlikely event someone will pay for a new Mac Pro for me I'll be able to stick a 2080 in it.

You can stick an nvidia card in a PCI-e chassis and it will work on a laptop or Mac mini, but yes it isn't optimal.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Most people on HN, I would postulate, don't use Windows. We might use VS Code, we might use Azure, but we aren't using Microsoft's operating system.

Windows remains the most convenient OS for video games, and given HN's userbase (mostly young men), I think a lot of people here use Windows.

Wine works pretty well and compatibility is increasingly all the time. Proton integrating wine with Steam is quite convenient. Sure, not everything works.. but then I'm not going to buy every console and handheld just so I can play their exclusives either.

Everyone has their own values but...

I have more games than I can reasonably play in months installed and available to me already, with more coming out all the time.. there's no one game that would make me compromise everything just for recreation.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Meanwhile, the Linux world is wasting its biggest opportunity to take over the desktop space. IMO, Unintuitive interfaces (e.g. Gnome shell), forced package management (as opposed to decentralized distribution of apps) and lack of care for graphic design are the biggest things keeping the masses away from the Linux desktop, because in other areas (speed, robustness, privacy, control) it just blows Windows out of the…

>forced package management (as opposed to decentralized distribution of apps)

What??? This isn't true at all, you can install deb/rpm packages you download from the internet if you want, there's nothing stopping you. The truth is that you're strongly encouraged to install your applications from a trusted central repository because it's safer and more convenient.

I'd also note that this is not unique to Linux. Android, iOS (this one is actually restrictive), and macOS all use the same model too. Windows also tried it with UWP and their store, and mostly just didn't succeed for legacy reasons.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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This is problematic even for people who don't mind linking to an online Microsoft account (I'm one of them). There is a long-standing Windows bug where local user directory names are created using a truncated version of the online account's name. This is rarely what you want. The work-around has long been to create an offline account first to name your own local directory, then convert it to an online account. This w…

I've just resigned myself to the fact that the last letter of name is cut off. Seems super silly since it's capable of showing the full name everywhere else.

Maybe some MS dev hasn't cottoned on to the string count starts at [0] lol

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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This is incredibly bad. In general I have a positive opinion about what MS is doing lately, but Windows is a glaring exception, it’s getting worse and worse at an alarming rate. In the last two months we had two consecutive updates that broke basic functionality for users who disabled web results in Windows Search (which is a very common setting among those who care about privacy) https://www.zdnet.com/article/window…

>> getting worse and worse at an alarming rate That's because Windows Division does not exist anymore as a separate business unit within MS. It's now a part of Azure. And Azure doesn't really care all that much about making desktop excellent. It'll just keep it good enough for you to buy more Azure, but not more than that.

I'm wondering if this is really the right move as in "desktop is definitely going down and everything will be web based". In that case sure, why bother throwing money at it. But should we realize in a couple years that this was overhyped and desktop OS and apps won't go away, everyone will have migrated to OSX or Linux if Windows quality continues to decline at that rate.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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I don't understand why so many people on HN praise Satya Nadella. I guess good PR is worth much more than actions. Before Nadella, Windows wasn't nearly as user-hostile as it is now. There was no mandatory telemetry, there were no forced updates, end users weren't treated as betatesters and QA wasn't non-existent. And now they are taking away the ability to use Windows without Microsoft Account. Of course there are a…

They watch what companies like Google get away with to see how far they can push things. > Activity history helps keep track of the things you do on your device, such as the apps and services you use, the files you open, and the websites you browse. Your activity history is stored locally on your device when using different apps and features such as Microsoft Edge, some Microsoft Store apps, and Office apps. > If you…

How is anything you quoted a problem? Activity history being synced to your Microsoft account is an entirely opt-in feature. It's designed to assist in the scenario of "I moved from my desktop to my laptop and want to open that file I was working on a few days ago....now what did I name it and where did I put it?"

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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It's ridiculous to call it an "ordinary desk stand" it's anything but. A 100% perfectly calibrate weightlessly counterbalanced stand is a godsend for those who need it. The rest can get the VESA adapter instead. Furthermore, this is a product targeting a market that normally spends over $40,000 on a monitor without any mounting gear or stand to do the same work. Apple's display a bargain in context. If you think this…

Are they really only marketing to those customers? Given the pitch in the keynote, I kinda doubt it. Reminds me of those fancy six figure sports cars that are capable of all sorts of things you would never do on a regular street...”it’s a good price for those who need all that power”...well sure but most of the people who bought it were convinced by the marketing that having all that power was cool and made them seem…

Did you actually watch the keynote? It's painfully obvious they are marketing it specifically to reference monitor buyers. They stressed the features those customers would care about super hard and made outright comparisons to products only those buyers would even know exist let alone actually buy.

So yes, their primary market target is that group.

That being said, coming out and saying "Hey man, we made this thing that normally costs like $40k for only $5k isn't that pretty impressive?" should resonate with anyone interested in tech. I guess the issue here is that Apple assumed people not interested in this product would just not get all upset about something that doesn't involve them. But that's not how we are these days is it? Seems like people can't help but attack everything they see that doesn't precisely please them.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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I guess they want to emulate Google chromeOS and Google is busy emulating MS of the 2000s. Shame.

Or you know, iCloud? The thing that most people here probably have.

Except Apple have a lovely ‘Skip’ button at every step of the process.

If you don’t want to use iCloud you’re not forced to by virtue of being internet connected, and there’s a clear option to not allow your iCloud account to be involved in auth or password resets.

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