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Re: Useless Windows 10 Features

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Post by JohnFen »

mice wrote: post #383
grepballsoffire wrote: post #214

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I kept on wondering why I hadn't seen any of this, and then remembered that I'd installed Classic Shell start menu, which provides a Windows 7 style menu. It doesn't disable the Windows 10 menu, just hides it. Makes for a much more pleasant experience though. (No affiliation)

Does it still work reliably? I used it on a Windows 10 machine a few years ago, but then it stopped being maintained: http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8147 ... which is a huge shame, as that single app alone made Windows 10 a significantly less frustrating experience.

It's rock solid for me.

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Post by JohnFen »

psv1 wrote: post #258
Draiken wrote: post #244

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I'd argue that's only valid if you're a small company. Once you're a huge corporation with tons of stakeholders, it seems inevitable that you will compromise customers in favor of profits sooner or later.

I feel like this attitude lets big companies off the hook in a way. Yes, as the company grows it becomes more likely that they'll make these compromises, but that doesn't mean it's inevitable .

I didn't read that as letting big companies off the hook. Just the opposite, I read that as a strong condemnation of big companies.

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Post by anewguy9000 »

dang wrote: post #351
anewguy9000 wrote: post #24

shame on you windows team.

Please don't do this here.

do what? there are only 3 legitimate choices when it comes to operating systems (the thing that underpins every single computer). with that comes real social responsibility. this thread is evidence that microsoft is showing no regard for that responsibility.

Re: Useless Windows 10 Features

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harrygeez wrote: post #257
projektfu wrote: post #19

How about all the ways windows goes out of its way to hide the home folder, and then is now generating multiple places it calls “Documents”, “Pictures”, etc so you’re never really sure where anything is?

I think this is godsend. Before they do this people litter their files all over the filesystem. These magic folders reside in a user's home folder by default anyway. Most Windows users don't really have much clue about the filesystem like everyone here does.

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Re: Useless Windows 10 Features

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Post by JohnFen »

beatgammit wrote: post #324
harrygeez wrote: post #257

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I think this is godsend. Before they do this people litter their files all over the filesystem. These magic folders reside in a user's home folder by default anyway. Most Windows users don't really have much clue about the filesystem like everyone here does.

And is that desirable? Why do we want users to know less about how their computer works? Is it really a problem to know that you have a user directory with a bunch of other directories inside that hold certain classes of information by default? When I open a command prompt (yes, I'm not the average user), I'm in my home directory, and if I create any files or folders, they'll be there by default. To access those file…

> To access those files/folders, I used to go through the root of the filesystem (Users -> ), but I eventually just made a link in the file explorer to my home directory.

I just don't use the folders at all, and create my own directories off of the root, instead. It's much more convenient and has never caused me a problem.

Re: Useless Windows 10 Features

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Post by JohnFen »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #340
beatgammit wrote: post #324

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And is that desirable? Why do we want users to know less about how their computer works? Is it really a problem to know that you have a user directory with a bunch of other directories inside that hold certain classes of information by default? When I open a command prompt (yes, I'm not the average user), I'm in my home directory, and if I create any files or folders, they'll be there by default. To access those file…

The modern developer mindset is that users are cattle. Explore pretty much anywhere developers hang out and ask them why things are the way they are and they'll tell you it's because users are morons. Developers used to want to actually help users make better use of their tools. Hell, computers used to boot into BASIC. Now developers just want to force carefully crafted single-purpose appliances on people so they hav…

> sk them why things are the way they are and they'll tell you it's because users are morons.

I call those sorts of devs "bad developers".

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Post by projektfu »

jiveturkey wrote: post #362
beatgammit wrote: post #324

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And is that desirable? Why do we want users to know less about how their computer works? Is it really a problem to know that you have a user directory with a bunch of other directories inside that hold certain classes of information by default? When I open a command prompt (yes, I'm not the average user), I'm in my home directory, and if I create any files or folders, they'll be there by default. To access those file…

> Why do we want users to know less about how their computer works? It's not what we want, it's an appreciation for reality. You can want all kinds of things, like people to read documentation, not install malware toolbars, not click reply-all, not answer "I don't know" to product questions on Amazon, use their turn signals, I could go on for hours if not days.

How does making things more complicated make it easier? How does windows explain to users that folders they can see don’t actually exist and ones they can’t do?

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Post by JohnFen »

rishav_sharan wrote: post #342
psv1 wrote: post #304

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Market cap has nothing to do with a company being in or out of touch with their users.

I think its a valid assumption that a company which is out of touch from their users will lose market cap soon enough

I disagree. The history of business is full of counterexamples to that.

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Post by CathedralBorrow »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #367
CathedralBorrow wrote: post #339

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Why does the user need to know about file systems and home directories and symbolic links if all they want is to save a file and then find it later? Do you feel the same about cars? Are we dumbing things too much down by making driving as simple as pressing a pedal and moving a steering wheel?

The "find it later" part is kind of important.

Of course. But "remember where you placed the file in this filesystem hierarchy" isn't the only way to accomplish that.
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