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Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 1:16 PM UTC

yyyk wrote: post #366

mpoloton wrote: post #362

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Yes, you are right they didn't literally say that because in that case it would be legally troublesome. I think it is childish to think that this is not pure coercion either to the negotiation/surrender table or public unrest. By the way, Bolton didn't just advocate war/unrest years ago. It was last year [1]. I understand the importance of being exact, but by being pedantic in a political context without considering…

Ok, so you don't have a reference. If we take the admin at its word, they say they want a better deal.If you believe Bolton doesn't follow orders, than he seeks war. The one thing nobody of any disposition ever said they seek is 'regime change'. That's because a ground invasion is inconceivable and homegrown revolution unlikely when it's the regime with all the guns.

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Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 1:23 PM UTC

trilila wrote: post #260

gdy wrote: post #258

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There is a Soviet joke, on unrelated subject, but relevant. A father informs his son that the prices have gone up. The son asks: "Does that mean that you will drink less?" - "No son, that means that you will eat less."

Not a joke tho. For some people that's what it meant in communist east Europe. But good thing you brought this into discussion. Communist east Europe didn't have sanctions against, and as a result people would smuggle all sorts of western goods, up until they figured out: hey the politruks have all those fancy things, while we are told "west bad", "west capitalist corrupt", we should overthrow them. An oversimplifica…

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Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by ohithereyou » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 1:24 PM UTC

Synaesthesia wrote: post #343

thedevilslawyer wrote: post #195

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Isn't the point of sanctions to cause frustration by restrictions?

It’s punishing ordinary and innocent people of Iran for its government actions. It’s also hypocritical because you don’t punish Israelnfor it’s hunan rights violations, or Saudi Arabia, or Colombia. Even though those violations are far more severe.

The take away that I get from your post is "sanctions are immoral because they make people suffer - the only way they could be moral is if you make more people that I don't like suffer".

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by ohithereyou » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 1:26 PM UTC

jasonhansel wrote: post #23

> not all servers like to get traffik from TOR. For instance, CloudFlare annoys when you are accessing its servers through TOR. This is why you shouldn't ban Tor. In some places, it is absolutely necessary.

This is why some services shouldn't ban Tor. I don't think that my hobby project that serves cat pictures (for example) needs to accept any and all traffic.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by ohithereyou » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 1:32 PM UTC

Gibbon1 wrote: post #262

_ptgt wrote: post #183

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This is also a subject of intense interest to me. We're in uncharted territory here, and the most relevant historical example imo is WW1 where all major participants began the war without giving any real thought to oil and left the war knowing oil (and the vehicles it powers) was arguably the single most important strategic factor in wars during that time period (and still today really aside from speculation). It see…

Yes!!! The current world power structure is underlain by the control of oil. That's going to change radically in just ten years. Because of solar, wind, and electrified transportation Makes the control of oil vastly less important. And just like 1914 the dominant powers are clueless.

GP posted:

> left the war knowing oil (and the vehicles it powers) was arguably the single most important strategic factor in wars during that time period (and still today really aside from speculation

Then you responded:

> That's going to change radically in just ten years. Because of solar, wind, and electrified transportation Makes the control of oil vastly less important.

Unless the US military is making a solar, wind, or electric powered series of fighter jets and tanks then the control of oil will be relevant until at least the middle of this century if not the end of this century.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by llamaz » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 1:37 PM UTC

simonh wrote: post #373

mpoloton wrote: post #353

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What they mean by negotiation is sever limit on Iran missile program. They ask Iran to limit its missile range very considerably. At first you may say missile is not defensive but offensive. But the fact is that Iran has no air force or any other serious military hardware to defend itself. Because simply they wouldn't sell them to Iran. Most Persian gulf countries have military budget per capita orders of magnitude l…

If Iran stopped funding active offensive organisations like Hezbollah there would be no reason to restrict their weapons purchases or impose sanctions. The sanctions aren't the root cause, they are responses to specific stated goals and actions of Iran. Goals of destroying specific foreign states, which it insists on pursuing through violent means. No nation has a specific stated goal of destroying Iran, nor are they…

What did Saddam or Afghanistan have to do with 9/11? Saudi Arabia and (I think) Pakistan were connected to 9/11, both countries that are US allies.

Understanding why the US entered Iraq is not hard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOsWcEoKfp4

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by abstract7 » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 1:55 PM UTC

misingnoglic wrote: post #189

My heart breaks for these devs. I've been able to launch a successful development career specifically because I was born in the US (and my parents left Iran). If I was the same person in a different geographic area I'd be struggling under sanctions. Companies definitely need to push back on extra egregious legal teams who want to block services Iran, as it's mostly paranoia and not that the services actually fall und…

Google is big. What does Google or Alphabet do that others may 'egregariously' not?

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by stickfigure » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:18 PM UTC

A2017U1 wrote: post #198

stickfigure wrote: post #140

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I don't think Stuxnet forfeits the moral high ground. It was narrowly focused on attacking a specific military project. It's exactly the kind of thing I want the CIA (or whatever) doing, especially if the alternative is sending bombs. State sponsored attempts to hack public network infrastructure fit into a totally different category. These are not the same.

Before stuxnet Iran had absolutely no cyber capabilities. In the years following it they have built some of the most formidable offensive teams on the planet. There's plenty of literature on this. Whoever created stuxnet created another monster too.

You imply that without Stuxnet, Iran would not have developed these capabilities. That seems improbable. At some point every "bad actor" is going to realize the possibilities of cyber warfare - even if just for ransomware revenue - and want in on the gold rush.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by stickfigure » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:22 PM UTC

gdy wrote: post #228

stickfigure wrote: post #140

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I don't think Stuxnet forfeits the moral high ground. It was narrowly focused on attacking a specific military project. It's exactly the kind of thing I want the CIA (or whatever) doing, especially if the alternative is sending bombs. State sponsored attempts to hack public network infrastructure fit into a totally different category. These are not the same.

And why is it ok to attack another country's military project in the peace time? There are plenty of American military projects that deeply worry other countries.

I challenge you to name any American military project that is as worrisome as Iran's 'Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution' having control of a nuclear weapon.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 2:26 PM UTC

mpoloton wrote: post #341

keiferski wrote: post #335

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The answer to your question is in the text you quoted: intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror. Economic sanctions may be justified or unjustified, moral or immoral, but they are distinctly different from indiscriminate violence. Muddying the definitions of words really doesn't help anyone and indeed makes the discussion harder to have, as communication is only possible if both/all participa…

I didn't say it is "Terrorism" I said "Economic Terrorism". Economic sanctions by definition are indiscriminate. Now there is a shortage of some cancer and MS medication in Iran and people are dying because of it. Even though the medications are not sanctioned, the financial transactions are sanctioned and these medications cannot be purchased easily. How isn't this violence? According to the UN, sanctions on food an…

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