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SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

darawk wrote: post #341
Declanomous wrote: post #281

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Based on the views you have espoused here, I would not call you a leftist commie. It sounds like freedom of speech is your number 1 concern, which would be in character for someone with views that could be considered alt-right. Maybe you are a libertarian, which could otherwise be referred to as an anarch-capatalist, but libertarianism is in no way a leftist movement. While South Park and Eminem both 'triggered' a lo…

His point is that it used to be that leftists defended freedom of speech from conservative oppression. Now it's the other way around.

Leftists aren't actually oppressing anybody. We're still under the rule of the far-right in the US (a country which does not actually have a left wing by Western standards). Voting with your dollar and pointing out bigotry and inequality is not oppression.

Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Post by GreaterFool »

grawprog wrote: post #356
thosakwe wrote: post #328

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> Now Asians will be discriminated against secretly. So, a separate number being added to College Board's overall package is secret discrimination against Asian students? The "adversity score," according to the article, is calculated based on 15 different factors. The two listed (relative quality of the student’s high school and the crime rate/poverty level of the student’s home neighborhood) are not directly tied to…

I did pretty well on the standardized tests in high school. If this had existed, i likely would have scored higher than average on adversity. I would be pissed to find out my score was altered in any way due to factors outside my control. If I do well on something, i want it to be from my own merits, whatever my current situation. I don't want to be pandered to because i grew up poor in a shitty neighbourhood. Everyt…

My university (one of the top-ranked in the world) did have some sort of adjusted scaling for the final exams. The raw results were never released. One would get a number somehow adjusted for how to the whole cohort did. So that if some exams turn out to be just too damn hart it won't wipe out everybody. But it was opaque and I really hated that!

I did good enough and then went on to do a Masters degree. There I'd get my direct scores. I really feel much better about it. I knew what I did right and what I did wrong.

I think the adjusted score in my undergrad benefited me (some exams were too damn hard!) but I still hated the system.

Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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fuzz4lyfe wrote: post #165
rhegart wrote: post #131

Equality of opportunity over outcome for me. Now Asians will be discriminated against secretly. My family sacrificing vacations and eating out for 12 years (literally ate out 5x max) to afford to live in a good school district shouldn’t penalize us. My dad commuted 4 hours daily instead of moving...I’m getting pushed further and further to the right.

>I’m getting pushed further and further to the right. Maybe not, it feels like to me that the Overton window[0] has been sliding left. My views on freedom of speech made me a 'leftist commie' when I used them to defend South Park and Eminem now most often I'm accused being 'alt-right' by those who disagree with those same views. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

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Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Post by serf »

marrone12 wrote: post #292
verylongname wrote: post #258

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I'm not sure why this is getting downvoted. The United States has a system of de jure discrimination against white and asian men. Moreover, there is a great deal of de facto discretization against them as well. Many people seem to think that it is "fair" and appropriate for this to be the case, but I don't think its debatable that this is the fact of the matter. I think those who support this policy should defend it…

Ah yes, the system of discrimination that nevertheless has white and asian men disproportionately over-represented in silicon valley, tech companies, and government.

Do you believe that homogeneous distribution is something that occurs anywhere in society?

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Post by _dps »

throwawayjava wrote: post #274
adbge wrote: post #240

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> Oh, do you think the right is going to improve upon the US's current system of incentivizing/forcing families to fight over/make big sacrifices for homes in the wealthiest school districts in order to give their children a half-decent shot at a good education? Yes? Ever heard of school vouchers? The political right would love to reform the education system, from teachers unions to university professors, the entrenc…

It's telling that state GOPs typically support vouchers in the name of choice, but not actual choice within the public option. Allowing any student to enroll at any public school regardless of their home zip code would be a much more meaningful form of choice than vouchers. Why not just let anyone in a metro area attend high school at the richest/best high school in the area? If you can answer that question, you can…

You have 80% of the story but the last 20% is important.

Why not let anyone attend any public school? Because public schools are largely funded by local taxes. So a school in an expensive neighborhood with high taxes will naturally be a magnet for everyone else who can be a free-rider (in the economic theory sense). School vouchers fix this problem by carrying revenue along with the student instead of tying it to geography.

Re: SAT to Add ‘Adversity Score’ That Rates Students’ Hardships

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Post by hawaiian »

Part of me wonders if this is an effort by the universities, in cooperation with the College Board, to keep their hands clean and position themselves as objective, data-driven entities.

"Adversity" levels are already assessed by all big name universities in the United States. This score will likely change very little, especially if the 15 factors are broken out and included in the report. What's more likely is that the score will oversimplify "adversity" to a level that can be exploited (even more so).

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Post by GreaterFool »

vonmoltke wrote: post #270
rexpop wrote: post #172

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Getting into college is not an outcome—it's an opportunity.

Then let's dispense with competitive admissions entirely and use a lottery. There is nothing more fair than a random draw.

Why not actually? Instead of politicized solutions one could require schools at every level to create some sort of random admission pool for some percentage of yearly admissions.

For instance, take the mean SAT of admitted students, lower it by X% and pick candidates to random pool with scores above that level.

I imagine that to many people it wouldn't be "fair" because it wouldn't bring the outcome they want. But it'd be fun to watch them argue that random system privileges XYZ group!

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Post by manfredo »

ceph_ wrote: post #370
manfredo wrote: post #311

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Keep in mind that the definition of "white supremacy" has been expanded to include things like opposition to affirmative action, or support for enforcement of existing border control regulations (let along their expansion). Of course calls to censor those things are going to garner much more opposition than censoring explicit terrorist organizations.

The definition of white supremacy isn't expanding, but those are two topics white supremacists vocally support.

Many people, including mainstream media outlets, friends of mine, and co-workers have labeled these positions as white supremacist. Not just identifying them as positions that white supremacists support. The set of views considered "white supremacist" is indeed expanding to include mainstream conservative views like the ones I mentioned.
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