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U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Re: U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by mschuster91 »

tossaccount123 wrote: post #147
joshe wrote: post #94

I've worked with a few H1-B holders in Silicon Valley and they're awesome. A great improvement would be to allow H1B holders to change jobs easily (maybe after a year). It's too easy for them to get stuck in not great situations. It would be great for everyone if they could move to better fitting jobs, especially for startups who have trouble running H1-B programs. If you are, like me, a software engineer, you should…

>To prime your intuition a bit, consider how woman and minorities more than doubled the work force from the 1960s to 1990s with no loss in jobs or lowering of wages. You do realize there hasn't been a raise in real wages since the 70s when you account for inflation right? Coincidentally during that same time period the income gap exploded because the wealthy had plentiful cheap labor and were able to pocket the produ…

> You do realize there hasn't been a raise in real wages since the 70s when you account for inflation right?

Thank decades of union busting and neoliberalism for that one. When corporations only pay out the minimum that they can get away with instead of following the historic Ford mantra that people must be paid liveable wages, this is what results.

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Post by mschuster91 »

wyclif wrote: post #380
tossaccount123 wrote: post #147

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>To prime your intuition a bit, consider how woman and minorities more than doubled the work force from the 1960s to 1990s with no loss in jobs or lowering of wages. You do realize there hasn't been a raise in real wages since the 70s when you account for inflation right? Coincidentally during that same time period the income gap exploded because the wealthy had plentiful cheap labor and were able to pocket the produ…

Now you have households with both working and they can't afford to have kids This strikes me as ridiculous as a broad-brush, general statement. It's not that Americans can't afford to have kids, it's that they incentivize different things than they did in the past. I don't deny that real wages haven't risen because of the supply of workers and dual-income families, but c'mon. There's been an increase in professional…

> They have lots of adult toys and other conveniences, but somehow can't find the money to raise a child.

I'm German and affected by this. It begins with being unable to rent an apartment with enough space for a kid and ends with "how to afford a car in this city".

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Post by renholder »

mc32 wrote: post #156
Daishiman wrote: post #152

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An entire continent, of the youngest countries consisting of liberal democracies being jus soli isn't something you can just wave away and pretend is irrelevant or has some particularly unusual behavior. Said countries have even laxes immigration policies, similar proportions of immigrant populations, the same anti-immigrant rhetoric that you're spouting, and yet it's just not really the problem that it's made out to…

Wanting control over who comes in and who goes out is not “anti-immigrant rhetoric”, If those countries had sudden surges, you’d see them change, just look at the Venezuela/Colombia border to see how a surge will change opinion anc behavior. Chile is also cracking down on illegal entries now that they’re more prevalent. No country will have unrestricted immigration, otherwise why not form a union with neighbors? Also…

> No country will have unrestricted immigration, otherwise why not form a union with neighbors?

See: The European Union

Inb4 "Yeah, but they have immigration control," yes, they do but upon entering and leaving the Schengen; otherwise, it's based on agreements with other countries.

It's why you can travel to Europe for up to 90 days on only a "visitor" visa (which is, really, just an entry stamp).

...but to say that countries don't trust their neighbours have strict border control between themselves (and haven't formed a union with their neighbours) pretty much negates the realities of the Eastern hemisphere.

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Post by geggam »

rjzzleep wrote: post #357
jayd16 wrote: post #340

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By this logic, any increase in productivity is bad because it reduces labor scarcity. That's just not how it works. > if we dropped 10 million software engineers in Silicon Valley from around the world, guess what? Guess what, we'd get a lot more overseas clients as they wrestled with the labor shortage abroad. (Although, the real problem would be the humanitarian crisis in housing 10m more in SV overnight, ha)

This hits the nail on its head. The reason why SV is so attractive to potential immigrants isn't because of its living standard of thousands of homeless people the healthcare, transportation or housing system. It's because the scarcity of that particular labor makes it on one of the best paid tech sectors in the world. Most people go there for the money even if they may stay for other things. Well that, and the fact…

Problem is finding actual talent vs talent on a resume that doesn't work well.

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Post by austincheney »

luckydata wrote: post #369
austincheney wrote: post #363

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Or maybe the idea of wage depression due to visa status is speculative and unqualified. Is there any data on this?

Tons, I linked a bunch of articles already, you could also Google it and find it if you were actually interested in learning something instead of making the point most ideologically aligned to your own preconceptions.

I am going to assume your comment lacks objectivity since I stated no opinion or expressed no ideology. I did find research from recent data, that links to additional supporting research, which completely dispels the false assumption that visa workers are paid peanuts:

https://www.glassdoor.com/research/h1b-workers/

> Another reason we shouldn’t be surprised that H1B workers are paid about the same as U.S. workers is because the law requires it.

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Post by alvar0 »

ltbarcly3 wrote: post #259
baby wrote: post #229

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I've posted that before, I'll repost that here From Michio Kaku[1]: "The United States has the worst education system known to science. Our graduates compete regularly at the level of third world countries. How come the scientific establishment of the US doesn't collapse. If we are producing a generation of dummy. If the stupid index of America keeps rising every year [...] how come the scientific establishment of th…

>> The United States has the worst education system known to science. Our graduates compete regularly at the level of third world countries This has been debunked so many times. Even if you take the data at face value, this statement cannot be backed up. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/02/us-students-are-laggi... Yes, we are behind a lot of countries. A lot of (VERY) small and (VERY) wealthy European countries fo…

Moreover, it's the top few % that make a difference between countries. That's what we should be looking at, not the averaged mediocrity.

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Post by geggam »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #337
tossaccount123 wrote: post #147

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>To prime your intuition a bit, consider how woman and minorities more than doubled the work force from the 1960s to 1990s with no loss in jobs or lowering of wages. You do realize there hasn't been a raise in real wages since the 70s when you account for inflation right? Coincidentally during that same time period the income gap exploded because the wealthy had plentiful cheap labor and were able to pocket the produ…

> American's used to be able to support large families of 4+ kids with only 1 working parent. Now you have households with both working and they can't afford to have kids. I'm broadly sympathetic to your viewpoint, but this isn't accurate. Children are fundamentally not expensive. The problem is that couples believe they can't afford to have kids, not that they actually can't afford them.

Typical income is 50k a year and it takes ~250k to raise a kid you are looking at 13,888k a year for the kid, after taxes

Children are extremely expensive. I have raised 4. You are broke the entire time and can always spend more on them.

In the US you are 1 medical incident from not affording anything and relying on welfare

https://www.thestreet.com/personal-finance/cost-to-raise-chi...

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Post by bluedino »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #337
tossaccount123 wrote: post #147

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>To prime your intuition a bit, consider how woman and minorities more than doubled the work force from the 1960s to 1990s with no loss in jobs or lowering of wages. You do realize there hasn't been a raise in real wages since the 70s when you account for inflation right? Coincidentally during that same time period the income gap exploded because the wealthy had plentiful cheap labor and were able to pocket the produ…

> American's used to be able to support large families of 4+ kids with only 1 working parent. Now you have households with both working and they can't afford to have kids. I'm broadly sympathetic to your viewpoint, but this isn't accurate. Children are fundamentally not expensive. The problem is that couples believe they can't afford to have kids, not that they actually can't afford them.

My health insurance costs alone would almost quadruple if I had a wife+kid
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