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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Off topic but I'll be that guy: I am continually blown away by just how good VSCode is and how it very much overcame two huge obstacles: being an election app, and its poisonous name.

Poisonous name? Are you referring to Visual Studio? That's widely considered as one of the best IDEs around.

Yes. At the same time it's hated by many anti-MS folks, especially in the Linux/OS X crowd.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

After 20 years of cluster fuck after cluster fuck release, I am never ever going to consider supporting Internet Explorer with any of my work.

It doesn't matter how good Edge would be. The damage is done.

It's like the old adage: You cannot un-kick someone in the face.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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So webkit is not monoculture? Are you forgetting about konqueror?

That person meant that if all the main browsers move to Chromium, then it will dominate and cause a monoculture; the same way that Internet Explorer caused a monoculture in the 90s and 00s. Pointing out that there are competitors doesn't change that their presence doesn't overthrow the monoculture. After all, Gecko was around for a long time and Firefox did become very popular very quickly after version 2; but realis…

Unfortunately there's near 0 development behind KHTML and Konqueror. That's been the case for many years now.

KHTML was the only community driven browser engine and thank god for it. God knows what the browse landscape would've been without it.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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I can't quite put my finger on it but something feels wrong about blaming the general populace for Edge's failure as a browser. Microsoft is one of the wealthiest companies on Earth. They've had every opportunity to use every marketing channel and dump resources into the team to make Edge an obvious winner. But they didn't.

Edge is a terrible product: it's a poor clone of its competitors and it has no distinguishing feature. Microsoft needed to actually innovate here and they didn't. Nor did they find an unmet need. Edge exists because everyone hates IE, not because it has something new for the user.

it has no distinguishing feature.

Tab Set-aside, the thing where you can suspend tabs and then bring them back later, instead of having a browser with dozens of open tabs all using up memory.

It integrates with OneNote and pen input, you click the "add notes" button and the open web page turns into a screenshot with a OneNote toolbar for highlighting and drawing on it, which can save or share the note.

It has that dropdown tab bar preview thing which FireFox has only recently sort-of-cloned in its alt-tab-with-previews feature.

It sends your browsing history to Microsoft by default.

for a tablet-style browser it is more tablet-y, large-buttons, touch-input focused than IE11 was, so even if that's not innovative or distinguishing it fits Microsoft's dreams for Win 10 a lot more than IE did.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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> It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspects of performance (initial load time, ui responsiveness, web site responsiveness) are terribly slow. 100% agree here. I'd be way more worried about monoculture if any other browser would be discontinued, but the MS browser history was and is just a shitshow. I can't even remember how many years MS and even some people in my…

TL;DR: I actually wouldn't mind that much, but MS has been repeatedly overselling and underdelivering for years and just slows down everyone else doing it. I know what you mean, but that is mildly amusing and not entirely false.

Yeah, even I have no worries with that. Because Microsoft is selling all their products and losing faith in the market. So no to work that much.

Regards, https://run3online.co

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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"... and Firefox is just not cutting it." What are your objections to modern Firefox? Most of the criticism I've heard is that it's become too much like Chrome. I'm quite happy with it personally.

As someone who switched from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago my main issues are: * No spellcheck in form fields (without a plugin, and I hate plugins). * It feels slower. There's something about it that just doesn't feel as fast. Mostly things like opening windows etc. * There's some annoying defaults. * Dev tools aren't as good. * Updates aren't installed automatically. I mean, it's close to Chrome, which is good…

on my box FF is a stunning memory pig

I understand this is my fault for having 10-30 tabs open at any point in time, but still, chrome will generally manage that at 2-4gb ram. FF often breaks 10gb.

I understand Jira is a pig of an app (Atlassian software is generally shit), but I unfortunately need to use it all day long. Chrome seems to be able to handle 2-4 each of jira, gmail, google cal, github, aws console, and slack. FF couldn't last time I tried, a couple months after they released Quantum.

This would, of course, be less of a problem if the cheapest macbook with 32g ram didn't cost $3k...

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Is there anything to complain about here really? I'm a lot more upset over Firefox market share slipping than this. Edge sucks, and it's not because people don't test on it. It's because it sucks. It sucks in ways that Microsoft can literally only blame themselves for. Me not testing software in Edge didn't cause the design catastrophe that is UWP to be used for Edge. It's not very developer friendly anyways, it doesn't even like to connect to local servers or display local pages.

I think everyone wants healthy competition in the web browser space, but I didn't want a closed-source browser that didn't run on Mac or Linux with a UI I can't agree with and an already disappointing track record. It only hurts worse that I humored Microsoft once when they forced my browser back to Edge only to discover that practically I still couldn't stand it.

Maybe we should feel bad here, but I don't. If I feel bad for anything it's for the good people at Microsoft that brought us this great piece of engineering delivered in such a disappointing fashion.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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post #311

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Well, Opera is a good browser that no-one uses, so it can't be just that. Tbh UX just isn't Microsofts strong suite (although I really like Windows 10).

Sorry, Opera is dead, and has been for years. It's now also frankenChrome, and none of the old, infinitely customizable options from the actual Opera has remained. The only thing left alive from Opera is the name.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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http://modern.ie Free Windows VirtualBox images you can use for testing!

Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but if testing on your browser means downloading a 4GB+ image every couple months and having it take up all my memory in a clunky VM and messing around with how it gets its IP and then trying to update itself with another multi-gigabyte windows update while I'm tethering and did I mention you have to redo it all every couple of months?... then I'm not testing against your browser.

There's a startup for that: https://www.browserling.com/ run by user pkrumins

https://www.browserling.com/browse/win/7/ie/11/https%3A%2F%2...

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Suggest it to them?? If it's really faster, why wouldn't they merge it?

>> OK, how do I get the Chromium team to integrate parallel layout written in Rust? > Suggest it to them?? If it's really faster, why wouldn't they merge it? How many major software projects do you know of that will casually add a programming language?

It wouldn't be casually if the parallel renderer brought in some real benefits.
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