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EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by hannasanarion »

phkahler wrote: post #244
ericdykstra wrote: post #6

UKIP and the Green Party joined forces to prevent Article 13 from getting rammed through without a public discussion. It was a good first step, but here we are, 2 months hence, and it was passed with virtually no amendments to the original text. This is an abhorrent decision by people who have no idea how the internet works. Markus Meechum (aka Count Dankula) was at the hearings, and reported that MEPs voting on the…

>> If you want a quick example of why this is bad take a look at fair use and YouTube. Article 13 would make YouTube liable for copyrighted content on its service. What exactly is wrong with that? Seriously.

Read the next sentence. "even legal uses of copyrighted content"

In practice, this constitutes the abolition of the "fair use" doctrine on the internet.

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Post by brainwad »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #180
sebst wrote: post #168

This is a decision that will end up benefitting the big players on both sides, i.e. regulatory capture. Google, Facebook and the like already employ filtering and copyright techniques and they can afford it. So, this law lifts the barrier to entry for smaller internet companies. On the other side, it's also beneficial almost exclusively for the larger publications or copyright holders as the collected amount of licen…

Regulatory capture implies Google and Facebook were in favor of this and made it happen, which I doubt is true.

They are probably against the link tax, but in favour of the content filtering.

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Post by gaius »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #303
ericdykstra wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree, I think it's perfectly fine to want to leave the EU on principle. For example, the principle of not wanted to be ruled by unelected oligarchs who can pass laws like Article 13 which affect UK citizens.

Because having politicians work directly in the Tory part to serve the interests only of their rich donors, their partners, and themselves is so much better than being ruled by elected representatives and those chosen by those representatives (whom you call oligarchs) in Europe? Perhaps if we hadn't been fooling around trying to destroy the project for cooperation across Europe we could have taken part in making this…

You’re forgetting that Corbyn is a staunch Leaver, he opposed the EU his entire parliamentary career. That is a matter of public record. And most Leave voters were in traditional Labour areas and most Remainers were traditionally Tory voters.

So the “Tories” narrative just doesn’t add up.

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Post by wongarsu »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #331
wongarsu wrote: post #262

I don't think the link tax will have any real implications. Any individual party that starts charging for links will simply not be liked to. It would only work if an entire industry/sector would start charging for links to them, but then we are talking about collusion and price-fixing which is already illegal. It's hard to start demanding money for something that was free and costs you nothing. And the link tax has e…

Every sufficiently large publishing company on earth will demand a link tax, where "sufficiently large" means they can afford one or two lawyers. Why shouldn't they? It's money lost otherwise.

>Why shouldn't they?

Say BBC decides they don't need the money and doesn't charge for links, but every other major outlet does. Now everyone will just link to BBC when they want to link an article on the topic, and Google News would essentially be BBC and a bunch of small independent outlets. Shortly thereafter the market share of all major news outlets that aren't BBC plumets as less and less people visit their online presences.

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Post by brainwad »

lazyman75 wrote: post #317
arendtio wrote: post #139

> They say that the campaign against the directive has been funded by US tech giants eager to retain their control over the web’s platforms. While I am not a particular fan of the dominance of Google and Facebook, I like it better how they handle the web than what we have seen from the 'creative' companies. It took years until they found a way to monetize their content properly (e.g. Spotify, Netflix) and even now af…

I very much prefer DRM over having everything I do on the internet to be monitored.

What exactly do you mean by 'monitored'? Of course sites you visit on the internet know you visited them, just like shops you visit IRL know you visited them. But it's not anyone is actually monitoring you or any other user personally. The worst that happens is some algorithms change your ads.

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Post by zaarn »

isthatart wrote: post #187
zaarn wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would any of that happen? I don't think the internet copyright proposal will affect things in a way you describe...

I'd like to see a discussion around these aspects. I see only cries re big platforms and news outlets.I'm neither of these.

Smaller platforms are exempted on the directive (ie, startups, single person corporations, etc.) as well as anything that doesn't do profit oriented content/active content moderation.

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Post by arnvald »

pwned1 wrote: post #196
ahakki wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I’m not allowed to use your service you won’t get any of my money though. Unlike kids under the age of 13 I have disposable income.

It's looking more and more like your money isn't worth the compliance cost to companies to obtain your money.

Any examples, beyond news sites where 95% of users come from US anyway?

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Post by shady-lady »

briandear wrote: post #314
phkahler wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> If you want a quick example of why this is bad take a look at fair use and YouTube. Article 13 would make YouTube liable for copyrighted content on its service. What exactly is wrong with that? Seriously.

You're making the paper producer liable for what someone writes on it.

using your analogy, youtube would be the paper maker and most importantly, the newspaper that publishes those words.

rightly, they're going after the newspaper.

it's disingenuous to suggest youtube only makes tools for video content distribution whilst omitting the fact that they are the only consumers of those tools.

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Post by IdiocyInAction »

sputr wrote: post #369
the6threplicant wrote: post #188

A comment from someone who has actually read the article: https://np.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/9ely8y/why_the_w... For example: ...the EFF argue that the idea of what constitutes a link is not fully defined. I'm not sure what they're talking about. Recitals 31-36 set out the concepts in article 11, fairly clearly. They make it clear that what is being protected is substantial or harmful copying of significant…

The commenter you are quoting has not realized there are two problematic articles (11. and 13.) and that the "memes" story is for article 13 not 11. The entire point of art. 11 is to transfer money from Google News (and other aggregators, like Facebook) to publishers. This also covers search.

Why whould Google not just delist problematic sites like they did in Germany, as they tried to implement something similar there AFAIK?

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Post by amyjess »

interhero wrote: post #232
raxxorrax wrote: post #200

This corrupt old farts. The brexit people were right ...

If this gets through in January, the UK would have to implement it too...

"Have to" is an awfully loaded phrase. If they don't, who's going to enforce it?

"Enforce this, or we'll kick you out."

"Well, we are leaving anyway, so uh, fuckity-bye."

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